Patten and Johnson....lmao! Johnson was a kickoff returner and ST player. Brown might be on the current roster, but he really slowed down after the 2001 championship year....and Branch was a Brady made product that produced a #1 pick.
(Patriots fan responding). The strength of the Patriots has been and continues to be their defensive line and their quarterback. It's true they are aging at Linebacker and need safeties and depth at cornerback, but the key to the team on defense remains Seymour, Warren, and Wilfork, who are all in their prime or just entering it. I don't particularly agree that Brady is "starting to make mistakes" - he has never been absolutely perfect. You may have created a notion in your mind that he never makes mistakes, and thus when he does screw up it may seem like a big deal. He had an awfully good season last year with some really terrible receivers.
I am really glad you are not in the Jets front office. Whoever our conerbacks are is almost meaningless if we can't rush the passer.
IMO, Donte Stallworth is an overrated injury prone bum at least, thats what I've been telling myself after the Pats signed him I STILL like the Jets WR core better. Cotch and Smith have almost unlimited potential. And Coles has better hands than any of the Pats recievers
Did you think Deion Branch was a good reciever? Stallworth has better numbers then him, is bigger and much faster. Stallworth has double the touchdowns. Stallworth has also played in MORE games then Deion has in the same amount of time. He has been injured less then Deion has when comparing there careers. Out of the last 44 games Stallworth has missed 4 games. Amazing how a bad situation can make a players hammy "act up". Just ack TO last year in training camp. Stallworth played in all 16 games in 04 and 05. Missed 4 games last year playing in 12. I wouldent get to comfortable thinking he will be injured all year. Since out of the last 44 games in 3 years he missed 4. They got Stallworth for a cheap price in a one year deal, with no risk. Of course they would see how he did in a sb caliber offense with Brady..... The Washington deal is also a one year deal , that cost them all of 300 grand. Another low risk pick up with the oppurtunity of good returns. If either player does not work out, the patsies can choose not to exercise there extension options on each deal after the 07 season.They can walk away at no real loss. Intersting to see what they do in the draft. I say corner and lb with the first two... Thats if they do not trade down with the 28th.
Stallworth numbers aren't as good as Branch's and he simply is not in the same class as Branch. There is a reason he signed for cheap money, he's a head case and he's a number 3 WR. It's a nice 1 year rental if he busts he's ass and impresses in camp otherwise he doesn't make it out of pre season with the Pats.
Well if you consider double the number of total td's, a better average, and more yards recieving as non factors then you are correct. Stallworth has also missed less games due to injury then Deion. Deion has only played in 16 games once in his career. Don't let the fact that Stallworth is bigger stronger and a real deep threat effect your position. I am sure he will be a total bust with Tom Brady and never make it out of camp. No potential to be anything there.I mean he did miss 4 of his last 44 games....
When he actually catches more than 40 balls a season he's YPC drops about 5.5 ypc. That tells me he has big yards per catch when he is coming off the bench as a 3 or 4 option with nobody covering him. Sounds a bit like McCariens to me. Branch is a guy who steps it up in big games against the No. 1 defensive CB, Stallworth is a guy the more he is asked to do the less he does. He also played for teams in the Junior Varsity.
stallworth stallworth is something that we can worry about when we play the pats, but i think we've needed another cb for a while...but i wouldnt focus just on stallworth we have bigger threats against other teams this upcomming season.
Considering he had 3 big games and two of them were blowout losses the other one was against a 5 & 11 Bills team that stunk, and he wasn't the No. 1WR on a team that was 3 and 13 and getting blown out every week, no.
Like any deal it can turn out to be bad or good. I know - obvious point. When a draft pick or a free agent is signed all we can do is try to project if the player will succeed, look at player's history or the drafting / signing pattern of receiving team. What strikes me as strange is that the signing of Stallworth is not really the PATS style - drug program, underachiever, etc. Some may use Dillon as an example, but he was a proven player and unhappy in his environment. The PATS are showing no confidence in their WR signings - one year deals with personal not team incentives. Contrast this to the signings of Thomas or the Jets signing of Jones and Coleman. Those contracts have expectations and a sense of becoming part of the team inherent in their numbers. There is a sense of confidence in these signings. With the WR signings the PATS appear desperate and are throwing the die. I'm not sure that's what you want to do in a fairly complex system. Their throwing it and hoping something sticks. A word of caution - pundits praised the PATS trade for Gabriel for the PATS 5th rounder. Gabriel is now back with OAK and the PATS lost their 5th rounder. They have not done well overall with picking up FA WRs and they definitely don't have the confidence in Gaffney and co. Though there is an obvious up side there also is a rather big downside if this fails.
GODDAMNIT! i wanted the jets to get him. hes real raw, but hes got all the gifts and talent in the world. thier passing game will be markedly better next year. we better get a good pass rush, because if we cant generate pressure the pats are going to toast us.
Not to mention they got him for cheap money in a one year deal. If the deal works out they can extend him, if not they walk at no loss. Same goes for the Stallworth deal... Cheap money and the ability to walk in 08 if they do not like what they see. Say what you want, but these where pretty good moves. Both of em could have made more money from the titans and fins but went to the patsies. Lets not forget who they will have tossing them the pigskin. I wonder how they will draft now? They have those two first rounders and nine picks. I see them trading down with the 28th. Washington deal By Len Pasquarelli ESPN.com The deal can be for as many as five years, with a maximum value of $22 million, but is also structured so that it could be as short as just one season. Washington will receive a signing bonus of $300,000. As is the case with the six-year contract agreed to with New England by wide receiver Donte Stallworth on Sunday, the Patriots must pick up an option payment to retain the speedy Washington beyond the 2007 season.
"The Future" is all used up. He washed out in the Marlins organization, he was banged up and sulky his last year at Tennessee, and he was adequate at best in Cincinnati. Welker, Stallworth, Gaffney, and Caldwell are worth worrying about- not Washington.
im really kinda shocked that so many guys are downplaying stallworths abilities here...the guys got talent. he can be a very, very effective weapon for brady. i dont know where "injury prone" is coming from, the guy has played 68 games over the past 5 years. 13/11/16/16/12 respectively. the guy wasnt playing with a great qb in brooks....adequate...yes. hes going to be paired up with a future hall of famer. this is trouble for the jets, the phish, and the bills. and the rest of the NFL. Receiving Stats YEAR TEAM G REC YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST 2002 NOR 13 42 594 14.1 57 8 26 0 0 2003 NOR 11 25 485 19.4 76 3 19 1 1 2004 NOR 16 58 767 13.2 45 5 35 0 0 2005 NOR 16 70 945 13.5 43 7 50 0 0 2006 PHI 12 38 725 19.1 84 5 30 0 0 Career 68 233 3516 15.1 84 28 160 1 1 as for kelly washington not being liked by his teammates....i wouldnt think that BB is going to bring anyone in that will disrupt his plans. if washington gets released before the season, that will be the telltale of KW. if he is on the roster for this season you will see a wr produce....
He has actually missed less games then Deion Branch has due to injury. He has missed 4 games out of the last 44. A lot of players have a sore hammy when they unhappy........ Better numbers then Branch. For what they payed for him and the power they hold he was well worth the pick up.I mean its a one year deal, with an option to walk away. They got him cheap to.. The Titans offered him more money and he passed.
KW is 6'3...215...has speed...has raw ability and more talent in him than a lot of guys labeled adequate. i said before that it does make you thnk that wr in cincy flourished and he didnt really breakout. that said though, maybe discipline is what he needs (we know thats not found on the bengals). he CAN be a lethal weapon. thats my point. if BB can force him to apply himself, and his talent, he will become what he CAN be. no doubt he can stay the same, and be so-so...but hes got raw ability. and in the nfl guys like that can break out when they put themselves to task.
He came here to learn, he came to work hard, and he came to play. "As they say, it’s a dynasty here, so you have to smile about that, but you also have to understand they work hard. You hear all across the league, the Patriots work hard, and that’s what I’m ready to do." -- Doug Gabriel, WR New England Patriots, 2006
