Why do you have to be one of those people who go into threads and say only "why is this thread here?"
This guy reminds me a lot of the "Richie Anderson" type mold of a player. Which I would love to have back as a H-back type who can catch and block. However, I don't think taking him with our first 2nd round pick is wise for the Jets as a team. We can definetly find someone else at that spot that fits better. I'd definetly take Leonard with our second pick in round 2. However, he will be gone before that! I agree that he isn't a "featured" back in the NFL (he wasn't even featured in Rutgers - Since he was moved for Ray Rice). Bottom line in my opinion - would LOVE to have him at H-back, but he won't be there when it's convienant for us to grab him. Also, Turner is an ideal back to work along side of Leon. He's a hard runner with great speed that can beat down a defense for 2 downs, and open a hole for Leon to come in on 3rd down and run circles around tired defenders. My big thing is with AJ Smith, the guy is a true shyster (spelling) when it comes to trades, etc. Therefore, he is going to want kings ransom for his own back up running back. In this situation, I feel bad for Turner. If no teams in the NFL want to pay Smith to get Turner, then he spends another year behind LT. Which is a travesty for Turner, since he could start for a number of teams in the league. Lastly, one more thought about the Turner deal. A team like the Texans which would love to add Turner (if they don't luck out and get Peterson - which is HIGHLY doubtful-) could possibly put together a better package for Smith? I'm not 100%, but I think they could drive the ante up for us. Any thoughts?
he was not even a tailback in college, why should he even be compared to other tb, hes a fullback, and i never seen enough to know how he blocks, but i guarantee, that in other parts of the country he is a 3rd round pick, or even a 2nd day pick
Leonard could be a Chris Cooley type player. I'd take Turner as a RB over him, but you wouldn't hear me bitching if we got Leonard. He's going to be a good player for someone. Turner is just a beast though. Perfect RB build, great accelation and burst, he's shown good vision, good power, ability to break some tackles, got a great second gear. Of every pure RB available to us (Peterson and Lynch won't be), he's the most talented by miles really.
Dbrickdaman: "he was not even a tailback in college, why should he even be compared to other tb, hes a fullback, and i never seen enough to know how he blocks, but i guarantee, that in other parts of the country he is a 3rd round pick, or even a 2nd day pick" ------------------------- He was actually a half back before he was transplanted by Ray Rice. The lowest I have seen him on any mock is 3rd round, I doubt that's going to happen. There is absolutely NO chance he makes it to the second day (barring he kills someone, or does something moronic).
What does this have to do with anything. First off, Mike Vrabel's first 4 years in the NFL was a backup with Pittsburgh. Secondly, how can you compare him to Tedi Bruschi. He was a defensive end in college converted to linebacker. Are you only comparing them because of the Belechick/Mangini connection? Are you comparing them because they are white and overacheiving? This is one of the worst comparisons I have ever read and worst posts.
I want Brian Leonard and im not a Rutgers fan. Call it crazy, but there are a ton of people who like Brian Leonard who arent Rutgers fans.
Very well said with the Richie Anderson comparison. I think that Leonard could be that and more. I'm no Rutgers fan, but I would drool at the possibilities of having both Leonard and Leon coming out of the backfield as a tandem. Leonard's extremely athletic and has great hands as well. He's also decently bigger than Leon and may provide the change of pace back that Leon would need to flourish. I disagree with you in that I think that Leonard will be there with #57. Most mocks have him going in the third sometime. I certainly think he's worth our second pick in that round.
bc no one likes him and he wants it to seem like he knows what hes talking about...rest assured that ViLmAfAn is not fooling anyone
Here's the difference between Leonard and Richie Anderson. Richie Anderson was a 6th round pick back in '93. He too was labeled as a RB-FB and actually had a very successful career at Penn State. Funny enough however, was he was the 7th player we took that draft. The top picks were a LB (Marvin Jones), DE (Coleman Rudolph), an offensive tackle (David Ware), a tight end (Fred Baxter), runningback (Adrian Murrell), and a wide receiver (Kenny Shedd). Not that the early-mid New York Jets are a model for success, but it goes to show you that you do not spend this high of a draft pick on a RB/FB/H-Back player. I think he'll be a solid NFL player and if he was available even as early as our 3rd rounder I would consider it. Best case scenario is he turns into what Chris Cooley was when he was Pro Bowler and even he wasn't taken until the 81st pick. We have holes on both sides of the line and at LB which happens to be a strength of this draft. I don't think you spend a 2nd round pick on a guy that while would be a nice addition is not a prerequisite to winning like the other positions are.
You're going way too cookie cutter on us here. Just because we drafted a guy that worked out late in a draft doesn't mean that's how it always has to be done that way, and doesn't mean that's the only time you can draft a player at a specific position. If a team really wants a player, they'll draft him (like the "reaches" of Schlegel and E. Smith last year). There's no reason to say, "Well, he's a RB/FB, so we shouldn't even look at him until the 6th round." If we want him, we'll go after him right before where we think he'll get picked.
I actually agree with ya! I don't think he will be there at #57 though, if he is then by all means snatch him up! I just think that our first pick in round 2 should be used on something else (RT, DT). If Tank Tyler is there I would snatch him up and move DRob to DE. However, Tank has some issues that might not fit the Tangini player mold. But then again, that's a thought for another thread lol. Back to Leonard, I have heard a lot of talk of other teams really digging him, so I just can't see him sliding into round 3. Remember though, the Tangini combo isn't afraid of reaching for someone they really like, so you never know! BTW- I'm not a Rutgers fan neither! So like you, this isn't a biased opinion.
You're right on point! I just mentioned the same thing in another reply. Our Tangini combo will "reach" for anyone whom they see as their type of player. Some people even said that Brad Smith was a reach, but in retrospect, that was a hell of a pick!
1. hes slow 2. never carried the load as a "feature back" in college 3. doesn't have true position at NFL level
the leonard leap would get destroyed in the NFL. let him leap into a casket for trying to be pretty when demarcus ware catches him mid air. other than that your dead on. he'll be very effective if he can maintain a weight of 235-240. not worth drafting in the first 3 rds though considering our needs. only way id draft the guy is with our 3rd rder is if we addressed two holes through FA and a couple value picks fell our way the first two rds.
I don't think we would EVER see him do that at the NFL level unless he's in a very open field. Even though, I'm sure he'd lower his shoulder. I think Leonard realizes the Leonard Leap is more of a crowd pleaser/show of athleticism than anything else.
