.........imagine........

And what do we do with Brian Thomas, who was resigned for 5 years!?

 

Linebackers from left to right would be A. Thomas, Vilma, Hobson, B.Thomas

Meaning if we get this guy ( who iMO would be a HUGE pickup) we don't need to draft a LB anymore. We need a huge NT and a CB.

Personally, I would trade up now if we get him to a spot where we can land Branch or Okoye. I would give our first rounder and Washington's second.

 

We need defensive lineman...

 

What about Pouha? He was playing well in preseason until he got hurt. But we still have to get someone else beside him.

 

I think DROB is fine at NT, we are weak at DE, and VIlma cant shed blocks fast enough to fill the gaps. A good DE like Okoye would be as big an upgrade for the Jets as a big NT

 

Agreed. I dont get this "we need a new NT" talk. Our defensive ends were worthless against the run last year while Robertson was outstanding. Everytime he made a tackle it happened right at the line of scrimmage but he cant do it all by himself. Robertson is not the problem, its Von Oelhoffen and Ellis. Give us another LB with the ability to stop the run (Adalius), at least one defensive end who can hold his ground and take on double teams and you will see how good this defense can be.

 

Adalius Thomas would be a great addition. But where does Hobson go? Does he backup OLB despite his great season? Does he play ILB despite there being a lot of depth (Kassell, Barton, Vilma & Schlegal)? Does someone get cut, because we have amazing depth if Adalius Thomas gets brought it.

If Dewayne Robertson can add at least 10 pounds or so, he'd be around 6-1 330ish. That's great size and he should be able to adjust better in year 2. I also hope Sione Pouha can step up given his size, 6-3 330.

 

If we do indeed sign Thomas, we will need better depth and 1 starter along the DL, and another CB for competition at the #2.

 

if we sign thomas I think we should trade up for a guy like okoye or carriker. This would fill the serious hole at D-Line and our defense would seriously improve. The only thing left would be a CB but we could always try and develop coleman/miller/poteat.

 

Robertson wasn't outstanding, it was Ellis that was the constant along the defensive line. I believe Robertson deserves one more year at nose, before we bag him and make him rotate in at end, but he was definitly not incredible like you're making him out to be. He doesn't get pushed back, and that's a good quality, but he does get turned very easily, which is something he'll have to learn to adjust to. That comes with him trying to make a speed rush through the gap, rather then pushing the center back. It's all in the coaching and if they can coach Robertson up better, he can be an excellent player because the talent there.

Our true problem lies at the opposite end of Ellis. We need to fill that whole quickly, and seeing as how the only free agent with 3-4 end experience is Kenyon Coleman, we should be looking towards the draft. I also like C.J. Mosley a lot at end, as he played very well when he dressed. I think it's a matter of the team coaching Mosley up and switching his mentality from the 4-3 undertackle to a 3-4 end/tackle at times.

 

You have GOT to be kidding me right? Ellis? At times this guy couldn't even beat a TE 1 on 1! He was absolutely worthless against the run. All he had to do was take on an OT, that's it. Most of the times he couldn't handle him. Rarely they had to double team him with an OT + OG. Same thing goes for Von Oelhoffen. When you have only one D-Lineman who gets double teamed (Robertson) and at times tripple teamed in a 3-4 defense, you can't expect that defense to look solid or even good. Your linebackers will get smashed with all the guards moving up to the second level because your DE's can't block them.

 

Go back and watch the tape. I have several games on DVD that say differently my friend. Robertson and Von Oelhoffen are the ones who got walked all over.

 

Ellis is the bookend, no doubt at 3-4 end...with Robertson we can more than survive at NT, but he'd be so much better at End...we NEED that 3-4 NT.

 

We're definitely going to get to find out how much Belichik is in Mangini and how much Parcells.

Belichik is a big defensive line person. He keys his defense on having very strong defensive linemen at the point of attack backed up by solid linebackers.

Parcells is much more about the linebackers. He wants fast hardhitting linebackers with a solid but unspectacular line in front of them.

Belichik would prioritize trading up for Amobi Okoye or Adam Carriker as the main thrust of his offseason. He'd be beefing the line bigtime right now.

Parcells would sign Adalius Thomas regardless of the cost and would look to to draft Charles Johnson as a OLB/DE for his 3-4.

It'll be very interesting to see which way Mangini jumps. He might even turn out to be a combination of the two, signing Thomas and trading up for Carriker.

 

1. Okoye is NOT a good fit for the 3-4. He's a similar (but better) prospect to D-Rob when he was coming out, much better as a pass rushing DT in the 4-3.

2. This draft is FULL of OLB and 3-4 DE prospects.

3. That said, LBs in the draft are much more likely to make an impact as a rookie than a DL. I'd rather the Jets go after their 3-4 DE in FA, than giving Thomas big money. That leads to...

3. Guys like Randy Starks and Tommy Kelly should draw the Jets interest. They are young, long, strong DL that would make perfect 3-4 ends. Thats ignoring Moore and Moseley, two young guys with size/strength that we traded for. Moore has some serious potential as a NT with his size, but I haven't heard much about him (though the Jets seem to like him).

Would I be mad/sad if the Jets signed Thomas? Hell no. He's a legit playmaker that should still have 3+ seasons of high end play. Still, considering the strength of those offseason happen to be OUR weakness, we have alot of ways to go this offseason. We potentially could get alot younger, better, bigger, and stronger without killing the wallet. I'd like to see that. I'd really like to see them go after Starks/Kelly though.

 

i have them all on my PC and trust me, the only players that really sucked on our d-line were oelhoffen and ellis. if you cant even handle a TE 1 on 1 you should just quit football.

 

You have to be kidding.

 

But mate, the way that the 3-4 works, is when the faster mlb doesnt have to take blockers, the NT doubles to cover for him.