I think this deserves its own topic. This thread is not to discuss the Washington rumour, or whether trading Vilma is right or wrong. With rumours starting about Vilma it reminds me of last year and Abraham when we heard rumours of him being traded, so "where's there's smoke there's fire" and Vilma may indeed be on the trading block. So what do you think his value is in a trade I think his value is more than Abrahams" 1. He is an injury free DROY and pro-bowler who is perfect for a 4-3 scheme and in which as a Ray Lewis type rover, he can be one of the top linebackers in the NFL 2. He is not in the last year of his contract, RFA or UFA. I think that he has a value somewhere between a 3rd and 4th pick in this years draft. He is not quite the franchise type player you expect to get in the top 3, but the potential "pro-bowler" you expect to get 4-10, and he is already a pro-bowler so he pushes himself to the top of that group. What I could see is a trade with someone 4-10 where we trade Vilma and our #1, for their 1st and second. What do you guys think?
Vilma, Regardless of this years set backs would still garner a first round pick not top ten but a first rounder. Or even a straight up trade player to player. If we traded him and our # 1 then I would expect nothing short of a top 5 pick.
Vilma's worth is a top 10 pick, somewhere from 5 to 10. Whether the Jets could get that or not is an open question. Whether they'd want to make the deal is also an open question. I think the only way you trade Vilma in that type of straightup deal is when you're on the pick and know who it turns into and that person is a likely impact player at one of the three key positions on this Jet's team (NT, QB, DE). There are a lot of combo deals that would make it more tenable to trade Vilma because they include another player coming the other way to lessen the risk in the deal. Portis + pick for Vilma + pick is a good example.
Someone tell me again why we should Trade Vilma? Because none of seems to make sense to me yet. Especially for an oft injured of late Portis... I'm at a loss here still... Ellis
It is this year's crappy sticking point of the offseason, much like last year's Randy Moss, or Ty Law, etc, etc. One reason why I hate the offseason, hopefully this goes away by draft time
Ill be happy to explain it to you and MSU since he doesnt get it either...not a real difficult explaination either...he doesnt fit the 3-4. our coaching staff wants to play the 3-4. any question? good
Thats not an explanation... thats not even a real reason... who says Vilma can't play in the 3-4. YOU? He looked pretty good playing in it this past season. Vilma is a FOOTBALL PLAYER. Wait, let me stop you before you respond...Now your going to let me hear everything you heard on ESPN, some message board, and from some idiot Washington fan that makes you think it's a good deal... It's not, trust me. It's a horribly lopsided deal that was created on a message board and has grown so out of control here it's consumed the minds of the young an impressionable. Vilma can play in any defense that you put him in. He's played primarily in 4-3for most of his career(2 of his 3 years!!!). That happens quite often, but he's a young LB, and there will be a learing curve. He will excel in his position here playing ILB in the 3-4. If not, he'll be moved to WOLB, and used just like Farrior was under Parcells. To trade him, well that just wouldn't be prudent at this juncture, especially for a back that hasn't proven anything yet accept that he can run in Denver(you might get a 1,000 yards in Denver), and get hurt often in Washington. No thanx, I'll pass. We have more pressing needs. Ellis
This point has been made so much. but for some reason people only give him 1 year to be awesome in the 3-4. Apparently, 1 year is sufficient for a player to adapt and grasp to a new system.
Good points Ellis...Vilma is first and foremost a football player. He is used to playing in different Defensive schemes from pop warner ball all the way up thru Miami to the pros. People said the same thing about J Abraham and he still excelled when the Jets changed their D scheme before all of his nagging injuries. VIlma is one of the top 5 ILB's in the game today. And will be for another 5 years(at the minimum) It gets old when you hear that changing Defensive schemes will make a high quality player suddenly lose much of his playmaking ability on the football field. Vilma can be great in a 3-4 or 4-3. Portis is way too injury proned to give up Vilma for. Hell, Ladell Betts ran for 1,000 yds behind that Redskins line last year and he only started about 10 games. Portis hasnt looked overly impressive the last two yrs in DC. He is not the answer for the Jets and Vilma is one of our D stalwarts for years to come.
I stopped reading after the second sentaenced when you said he played pretty well last year......he was an abortion last year....most times he was the 3rd or 4th worst player on the field for the Jets...and as usual, another Jet fan wearing his vilma jersey tries to throw false statements out there and hope noone catches them...didnt work pal.....portis only did well in Denver huh??ummm what about his 1300 yard season in Washington and his 1500 yard season in Washington??? please respond directly to that...why did you say he only did well in Denver ????hmmmm? You either dont know what youre talking about or you tried to bullshit everyone...which is it?
and now lets talk about the other bullshit comment that people like to make about his being injury prone......he played 15 and 16 games in his first 2 seasons with the skins....ok so he got hurt last year......everybody gets hurt.....He missed 8 games with a broken hand, this makes him injury prone???? please explain that....or is it just another false statement based on no facts whatsoever made in order to defend how great a Jet player is??
After reading the first 4 lines of your post stating that he (Vilma) was an abomination, and 3rd or 4th worst player on the field, I have moved you jonnyd to my ignore list. It is painfully obvious that if you had 1/2 a football IQ you might be dangerous. Portis' 1300 and 1500 yrds rushing in Washington were not a surprise, but he has become oft injured (last 18 months), which raises many a question, especially injuries to the hands and shoulders of a athlete who need to HOLD ONTO THE BALL first and foremost... I do not own a Vilma Jersey, nor would I care to. But to trade him for Portis, it just doesn't make sense to me. It will cost more to keep Portis around than it will to keep Vilma around. Vilma is younger, not coming off a season ending injury, and could be moved to the outside IF he does not assimilate the 3-4 defense. It seems he is a favorite of Mr Mangini, so the RUMOR started about a Portis for Vilma deal seems to be exactly that... a rumor. I'm glad your not the GM, or in the front office... your so fixed on this story, you might give up your first born to make it true. But sense your not and you rebuttle starts with a most rediculous statement... welcome to the world of ignore, may your time there be useful. Thanx for being my new favorite slinky Ellis
ok will someone who isnt on ignore with Ellis tell him how gay it is to try and reply to someones argument against you and then put them on ignore while youre losing the argument
Ellis the genius......now all of a sudden portis' two great seasons in Washington werent a surprise???? first they didnt exist and now they were expected huh interesting.....I assume by the last 18 months you mean the last 5 months since thats when the 2 unrelated injuries to Portis happened...as far as the injuries being "season ending", that is true but a broken hand is no reason to believe this will be hindering to Portis in the future....you also asked when the last time Portis played a full season was in the other thread....it was 2005 dude...can you remember that far back??? As far as you trying to make me look foolish because the trade is just a rumor...yeah no shit dude...but the thread is about arguing if the "rumored" trade would be a good one for the Jets....Vilma is younger is your other great point....youre right, he is like 7 months younger..wow! and why as you stated would it cost more to keep Portis around versus Vilma? Is it because Portis is a STAR????? Your argument is garbage and you know it and Ive prooved it...so put me on ignore as your way out of your moronic argument
Some days I think you go out of your way to bash Vilma in much the same way that nyjunc defends Herm in just about every post. We know you hate the guy. We know you think he's a piece of shit. We get it. You would trade him for a stick of gum if you could. Obviously he kicked your dog or stole your girlfriend at some point to make you feel this way. I don't think I've ever seen you say one nice thing about the guy. You make him sound like the worst LB in the league the way you go on and on about it. It gets old really quick and Ellis probably just got tired of it IMHO.
This is the post of the freakin offseason. If not for my Mike and Maddogg quote, I'd put this in my sig... I want to know how many threads have been made on Vilma, Asante Samuel, and Michael Turner...
