Perhaps this gives some credibility to the rumor? This from John Clayton on espn.com piece on how the new salary cap will effect the offseason and team management: 7. Different approach for Redskins' Snyder? Even though this would be Dan Snyder's type of market, watch for a change in the Redskins' strategy. Snyder and Joe Gibbs are starting to realize the dangers of free agency. Wide receiver Brandon Lloyd and safety Adam Archuleta didn't work out last year. Plus, it's becoming harder and harder to get players in the restricted free agency market. The Redskins will be shopping their first-round pick at the combine with the idea of moving down and getting more draft picks. They will dabble in free agency but not as aggressively as in the past.
I don't feel like getting into an online flameware, I should add to the end of my last post that he should address the post, not the poster. To me the argument that stats are useless because they "can be manipulated" is made only by those who have no idea how to look at them.
I never played Madden but it sounds like you can build a team easier there than in real football if your the Jets. Putting aside our differences, I believe this team is desperate for an elite QB. Now I also believe LB and Interior lineman unlike QB can be picked up in late rounds and FA. I don't know what the Jets think of either Russell or Quinn, but philosophical we are a lot closer to a SB with an elite QB and a few holes on the interior lines than we are the other way around.
Football careers are generally short and very unpredicable. In the new world of free agency, constant coach turnover, changing systems, player injuries, blah, blah, blah. You can try to revive statistics all you want but you'll constantly be comparing apples and oranges. Retrofitting your stats to suit your argument. If your gonna try to translate Ladell Betts yards per carry average as a backup on the Redskins to starter on the Jets as a primary reason to make or not make a trade you'll be in for a rude awakening. You must factor in the type of system he's leaving/going to, his personal character and how it will mesh with the team (think TO and Randy Moss), how many miles he has left on his tires, his age, his favorite magazines ... I'm not saying you go after a guy with a 2.5 yd per carry average, but signing backups and one year wonders using statistics is by no means an exact science. Like comparing Reggie Bush to Jerome Bettis. Both great NFL backs when used to their strengths, but at the end of the year their stats may be very different.
And what makes you think those are elite QB's? Just remember, for every Peyton Manning, there is a Ryan Leaf. There is no guarantee that either one of those guys are elite QB's. Just because they are the best in this years class does not make them elite. Bad teams mortgage their future for one player. I'd like to think the Jets have moved way past that.
That's the key is Russell or Quinn elite and does our coach and GM think one of them is? If they do you aren't mortgaging your future, you are putting down the foundation of a champoinship. Chad can be off the books in an instant and if we don't have to sign a 1 in 08 we will have plenty of money to get a good solid FA instead.
Which is why you adjust how you use statistics, and mix it largely with scouting. Why would you do all your scouting using only stats? You're making it sound like thats what I'm saying. Production has little to do with character except in the most extreme cases. TO still surpassed over 1000 yards last year, and caught 13 TDs. Randy Moss was very good in his first Oakland season (almost 17 YPR), and sucked this season because of many factors (no QB, injuries). And of course you adjust for everything from whether a guy was a backup, to what KIND of line he ran behind (quick vs. pure power), to his physical tools, to how good his line actually was, to everything. Does that mean mean you can't make a ballpark guess on what a guy could do once you're done? Hell yea. Who doesn't know that? Like I said...knowing how to look at and analyze stats in a specific sport matters. 1. Bush is not a great NFL back. Right now, his best position looks like a change of pace RB and a damn good reciever. 2. Thats what I'm saying. You need to know how to look at stats. You can't just say "OMG Michael Turner rushes for 6 YPC, lets get him." Theres alot more than that.
Vilma is the Future of this organization, trading him would be a crock of Bullshit wrapped in green paper
That's your opinion which I disagree with. First off I'm only talking about Vilma not all LBs. Second, I said that he is great in the 4-3 and mediocre at best in a 3-4. 3-4 ILBs will always have to deal with lineman in their face no matter how good the d-line in front of them are because the OGs are not covered. That's the nature of the scheme. That's why you sacrifice speed for bulk in a 3-4 ILB. This is what I've been trying to tell you all along. Regardless of how poorly you may believe the d-line played Vilma still does not take on blockers well and probably won't ever unless he gains another 20-30 lbs or so w/ the strength to boot.
Don't mistake the quality of our dline with the lack of quality of our opponents, the fact that we have to blitz to create pressure is a problem that must be addressed, and is critical to fix our problems stopping the run good answer, but not exact here is why the quality of our dline is imperative to Vilma doing well, the time that he gets contact with the olineman is crucial, because our dline constantly gave ground it turns JV 5 yard useless tackle into just a 2 yard tackle.
I have to admit, if the right trade came for Vilma...as much as I'd like him I'd have to do it. Say the Chargers came with Turner, and their first (and maybe third), that would be a "no-shit" deal. You can't simply say "no" when there are a couple good reasons for a yes: 1. Vilma doesn't fit the system right now, and he potentially may never do so. 2. We could seriously improve our team if the right deal came around for him. Vilma is a legitimately great pick made by the old regime, and as young, fast, and good as he is...its a sad thing to admit we won't get the best of him in this situation. Of course....theres also a chance he becomes a very good 3-4 ILB...it may take a while...and we have to ask ourselves...is that worth it?
While I agree that Vilma is not untradeable, I do think it is worth it to give him a chance to succeed, and to think if everyone was judged the same way Drew Brees would not be in the league right now, to me it is only fair to give him the chance to improve
I really don't want to spend a 1 or better on a QB right now unless they're a Peyton Manning type can't miss prospect. I'd prefer to keep stockpiling QB's further down in the draft until one of them outright takes the job from Chad. Hopefully Kellen Clemens this year. I'm not totally opposed to a first round QB, but he really needs to have all the tools and no negatives before I want to do that. Chad has shown us exactly what the limitations are on selecting a good but not great prospect at QB in the first round, you get a good but not great QB out of it. BTW, for my money neither Russell nor Quinn are in that great category. The great prospects of the last decade were Peyton Manning, Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, Donovan McNabb, Michael Vick, David Carr, Carson Palmer and Eli Manning. Of those the only guys that came out with a can't miss tag were Peyton Manning and Carson Palmer.
Somewhere in this thread Briggs name is mentioned & according to Yahoo he is now franchised http://us.f600.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Sh...n&sort=date&pos=0&view=a&head=b&VScan=1&Idx=0
That's a fine opinion to have, but it seems that a lot of scouts think that Quinn is a slight step below Manning as a prospect and ahead of all of those other QBs. Maybe that has changed in the last couple months with his stock dropping, but that's how scouts made it sound during the season.
I think his stock is falling because people are so pissed at the Bowl Game ND got. That plus Quinn's performance in it helped give people a reason to stop liking him. It doesn't help that many people saw him as a "pretty boy" in the first place. Seems very weird, but I don't think Brady Quinn made himself very popular during his time at ND. Hell, ND has become high disliked by alot of people lately (even moreso than expected I should say). Really, I see very little to dislike Quinn. His body type and arm strength remind me of Jay Cutler, but he's a better pocket passer. Many people knocked him for having Weiss as a coach, but how is that a knock? He was coached by one of the best QB coaches in football, and played in a pro style offense at ND (the same one Tom Brady is in) and did it all well. How that gets twisted into a knock by some people I don't know. Anyway it doesn't matter, because he's "falling" but he'll still make it to the top 10. He's a much better prospect than Leinart, and I think most NFL teams see that.
