That is definitely Posada although Jorge has gotten a few big hits through the years just nowhere near the amount of Bernie and Jeter.
See all the arguments you guys are making are not counter to my argument. I said Bernie's FIELDING is what I always had an issue with. He's got a first-baseman's arm, and was always suspect tracking fly balls. His hitting was always clutch, I never denied that. Was he a significant part of the Yankee succes of the late 90s? Yes. Can he still hit? Yes. Is a full roster spot for a guy who can DH available? No. We have a full time DH, Giambi. Yes, Doug Mienkaslasdkjsdf is a wasted roster spot. I totally agree. But that's the direction that Cashman wanted to take at first base. I'll take a wait-and-see position on it until it's proven wrong. Posada is one of my favorite Yankees. He took over for Girardi, and came on strong. His bat has always been alive. He's also got a lot of post-season hits. He's one of the few guys who still hits these days when the leaves change color. I take the same attitude that ollie does on Bernie. I don't hate him at all. I just think he is already at least 2 seasons late for hanging up his jersey for the last time.
100% agree with that statement and those are the exact words I would use. Posada would have his moments, he's probably most memorable for the 03' ALCS when he hit the double off Pedro and clenched his fists at 2nd base as the Bronx erupted. 7-2 game in the 8th...Man on 1 out, Posada will hit a HR...I like the guy, but he's not clutch and what ollie is saying is what should be directed towards Posada, not Bernie, not at all.
Last season he did good man, he still had a good bat...But to say he is overrated and he didn't get clutch hits? Come on.
He has 1 year w/ 100+ RBI, his closest year to .300 was .287, he had 1 30 HR year. His hitting has always been overrated and his defnese was always poor until last year. Posada has been a completely overrated player throughout his career until last year. last year he was great(though he still can't block the plate). Which is it?
He hit the HR in the Jeter flip game against Oak in '01 in a 1-0 win so that was a another big hit but I agree he will mostly get his HRs when we were down big.
When exactly did I say this? Again, I repeat that my argument against Bernie is his DEFENSIVE skills.
The 2nd part was directed towards ollie...Just pretty much saying to you, how can somebody say he's overrated and didn't get clutch hits.
You do realize the difference between "not liking" someone, and hating them right? I mean, let's not be retarded here. No, I have never liked Bernie, period. At the same time, I RESPECT what he has done offensively for us. There is a huge difference, and if you can't wrap your mind around that, then I am not going to waste any more keystrokes trying to explain it to you.
Maybe I'm not understanding what you're saying, but it really sounds like you are implying that I take issue with Bernie offensively, which I don't. He hits, a lot. He has the most post-season hits for a player in history. That's undeniable. But his fielding has always been poor. He has a terrible eye for the ball, and if he wasn't so fast, he would have blown many games in his career. The fact that he can barely throw a ball from middle center to second base on a fly doesn't make his defensive skills look any better.
When a player is as good offensively as Bernie was it really doesn't matter how terrible a fielder he is. Over the last few seasons I can see people taking issue with it though.
lol no, i'm saying that towards ollie. And i'm saying to you, how can somebody(ollie) say he's overrated and never got a clutch hit. Now, on his fielding...It was nice having him because he knew where to play on most hitters, when he was younger and faster of course. He would usually get a pretty good jump on the ball, but his arm was always an issue. I was fine with Bernie defensively until about 03'.
I didn't say he NEVER got a clutch hit... He did... but IMO he got alot of his hits when the score was pretty much settled... Maybe it's because I never liked him in the 4 hole... I thought Tino with his power should have been there and Bernie in the 3 or the 5 with O'Neil...
I think his last few years have already hurt his legacy a little. Some (not specifically in this thread) forget how good he was at one point. From '95-'02, Bernie hit .321 / .406 / .531. He was such an amazing athlete, that he was a good defensive player and good baserunner despite the fact he always had horrible baseball instincts. His defense/baserunning became poor around '01 or '02, because he had no instincts, and his athleticism was wearing away, so the effect was instant. He was one of the best all-around players in MLB during his prime. I would agree that his postseason ability has been overrated, but he was still one of the main reasons for the success of the dynasty. I always liked Bernie, I never thought he would let it reach that point that many (especially myself) started to dislike him. I always thought he was a smart enough player to know that his career wouldn't be that long because he was all athlete, no instincts.
If Bernie was willing to move to 1B, I would want him re-signed tomorrow. For some reason, he (or Torre) doesn't want that to happen.
That's a pretty good sumation of Bernie. I almost fully agree. Personally, I didn't feel his raw ability always made up for the lump in my throat on long fly balls, but he did almost always make the play. His instincts were horrid though. Watching him run bases, especially in his prime, was enough to give me heartburn. The whole problem is he hung on far too long. Had he retired 3 years ago, I'd have nothing bad to say about him at all. As far as him moving to 1st, I really don't think his skills would translate well enough. He's athletic, but balls hit to first require fast thinking. Bernie never had that ability. If he was always properly positioned by the coaches, then maybe, but I don't feel Bernie could ever be a decent 1B.
