Wats wrong with this guy in Round 2 or 3, saying that D-Bowe, is gone, why not him, I mean, i know i have been proposing alot of recievers, but, this guy is another one, he had 1,000 yards both of his years of starting, the kid is a beast, i say we should take him, i could see him as a Marty Bookeresque receiver
He is going to be a 1st round pick? And most likely wont even be there when we pick? If he is there....and some of the good DL are gone...I'd take him
just wondering why do you compare him to Marty Booker? They are completely opposite players....Rice is a 6-4 guy with awesome speed. Booker is 6-0 and a posession reciever...did you just throw out a random WR? Also, I wouldnt waste a 1st round pick on a WR who will get the same stats as Marty Booker.
Rice should be the second or third WR by the time rolls around. He's big, fast, young, and great hands.
He's not nearly as highly thought of as a lot of people think. Right now, he's got a heck of a battle in front of him to be anything higher than the 6th ranked WR in this class. Based on what I've seen of him, he has a serious problem with concentration, and is not consistent catching the football. Good size, pretty good speed, he can be dangerous in the NFL, but has a lot of maturing to do as a football player. Johnson, Jarrett, and Ginn are the natural top 3, but both Dwayne Bowe and Robert Meachem have done a terrific job staking their claim to the 4-5 spots over the past year, Rice hasn't.
Where do you get this from?? His hands are one of his best attributes. He has very good concentration too and made highlight after highlight with crazy catches every week.
More than any other position (except QB) I am very nervous about WR's early in the draft. Soooo many busts. Here's a list of first round WR's from 2003 to 2005 drafts: 2003 1.2- Charles Rogers-bust 1.3 Andre Johnson good 1.17 Bryant Johnson bust 2004 1.3 Larry Fitzgerald very good 1.7 Roy Williams bust 1.9 Reggie Williams good 1.15 Michael Clayton Good rookie season, now a bust 1.13 Lee Evans good 1.29 Michael Jenkins bust 1.31 Rashaun Woods bust (We got Cotchery in the 4th this year) 2005 1.3 Brayon Edwards bust 1.7 Troy Williamson bust 1.10 Mike Williams bust 1.27 Roddy White bust That's a scary list of first round busts. Skipping over the second rounders, because I feel like it, here are the third rounders from those same years: 2003 Kelly Washington bust Kevin Curtis (jury still out, but looks good) Nate Burleson good Billy McMullen bust 2004 Derrick Hamilton bust Bernard Berrian very good Devard Darling bust 2005 Courtney Roby bust Chris Henry very good, head case Brandon Jones Looks good So, by my evaluation criteria, we have for the first rounders: 1 very good WR 3 good WR's 10 busts For third rounders: 2 very good WR's 3 good WR's 5 busts I don't want any part of a WR in the first round. Last year the Pats took Chad Jackson in the first, and he did nothing his rookie year. Most WR's take a year or two to develop, which is why I didn't look at the 2006 draft, except for Jackson's mention. Good scouting can find good WR's in the third round. I want a sure thing, and sure things are usually offensive and defensive linemen (sure, some bust, but the % is MUCH better). Let's get the DE and RT we need. Rice will go in the first round. I'll pass. If he or Meachem fall to the second, I could live with that, but I don't think they will. PS: We got Cotchery in the 4th round of 2004
I'm sorry but I really have to disagree here........ Bryant Johnson - guy has averaged over 500 yards a season, not every first round WR is going to be a # 1 guy, and thats playing behind, Boldin and Fitzgerald......... Roy Williams - Averaging 850+ yards not good enough for you? With their QBs? Braylon Edwards - It's his second year (into 3rd) he's been sick when healthy, how is he a bust? Reggie Williams - How the hell do you call him good and Roy Williams a bust? Two picks apart, Roy has 2814 yards and reggie williams has 1329 yards receiving............ May I ask what judgement and criteria you are using to make judgement on busts or good WRs? You have also skipped Matt Jones and Mark Clayton
How is Roy Williams a bust? Look at his stats this past year with that team. I considered you pretty knowledgeable, but that post it just stupid.
For a 1.7, I don't consider Roy Williams to be very good, but yes, calling him a bust was a mistake. He should be a "good'. Sorry I mised jones.... but so far he's been disappointing I think, given his draft position on a team that doesn't really have much of a passing offense. I didn't look at all the stats when I threw this together.... and geezuz christmas.... enough with that "knowledgable" shit. I like to post, and generate discussion. I may make some errors along the way. This is exactly why I didn't want that f'n voting with me as a candidate. If I throw something out there, intended to generate discussion, I'm not going to look at every single one of these player's stats just to be sure I got every single fact or opinion right. You guys definitely pointed out a mistake with Williams, you're right. So now I'm stupid. Fine. The POINT I was trying to make, which seems to get lost with a mistake or two here, is that in general, first round WR's often bust. Why not comment on that, instead of telling me what a stupid post it was? If I was writing an article, I would of course be more careful.... here, I just want to generate discussion. I threw this together in like 4 minutes. I had matt jones and Ma Clayton on my list, but missed them when I entered the post. Frankly, if throwing a quick post out there like this one, off the top of my head is going to result in these kinds of reactions, I just won't bother anymore. BTW, I don't think Kitna is as bad as so many people think he is.... but I better go spend an hour now getting all his stats and go through all the game books.
Busts is a very strong word that u shouldnt just call anyone can u really call a third rounder a bust i dont think so. Second of all Braylon Edwards,Michael Clayton,Roy Williams,Bryant Johnson are not busts.Bryant Johnson plays behind Fitz and Boldin what do u expect of him he's a great #3.Roy Williams and Michael Clayton arent busts either Clayton has been hurt but was a pro bowler alternate i think in 04, Roy Williams made a pro bowl this year. And Edwards caught 60-plus balls and 800 yards with 7 tds give him a better qb and he will be better.
OK, so despite my best effort to avoid this detour.... tomorrow I will go back and write a detailed report on every single one of these WR's, taking long looks at each game they played in, how good or bad the QB was, if they played well only against bad defenses, and re do the list. OR..... we could discuss my point.... that there are a large number of WR taken in the first round who haven't come close to the expectations generally expected from first round draft picks. That includes the Michael Claytons, who for whatever reason (his knee) haven't paid the divedend expected of a first round pick. Or, I could just say fuck it, which is the front runner right now, and heavy favotite.
the jets right now have no business looking at a wr in the first day. They have so much work to do with the lines on both sides. Once both lines are in place with good depth then they can start using first day picks on skill players. They will probably cut J-mac and dwight so that leaves Cotchery, Coles and Brad Smith. So they need to get another wide reciever either late in the draft or in free agency. Sometimes I think most fans just want flashy skill players more then actually winning.
I think you can say the above for every single position in regards to the draft. Lots of players 'bust,' especially looking at your standards for what a 1st rder should do. I'm not about to go through every draft at every position though. Having said that, I do think that a WR's success is so dependent on QB play, and therefore also OL and RB play, that the position in general is less important than many others. I think the Patriots have shown this to be true. However, if a WR is the BPA by far, and that has a high probability this year, I would not be mad if we picked a WR. We do still have to wait for the combine though, so who knows where everyone will grade out.
I'm a big fan of South Carolina and being in Charleston, I have seen him play a lot. Sidney is simply a playmaker. He is a very physical WR who can be counted on when the game is on the line. He'll be a great player in the NFL and is pretty much the same player as Marcus Colston. I honestly believed that he would be a top 5 pick if he left after his redshirt junior year...but he decided to leave after his sophmore. This affects his draft stock...he had to deal with terrible line and qb issues and was simply not thrown in the Georgia and Auburn games. For most of the year he had a WR (Syvelle Newton) playing at qb. I don't know where VilmaFan got saying that Rice has only had 2 100 yard games in his whole career. That is simply made up. He had 5 100 yard games this season alone.
i never said he had 2 100 yard games in his career, i said he wrapped it up with (his last 2 games) 2 100 yards games
