With Coybows WR Michale Irvin getting voted into the Hall today, it raises the question. Does Keyshawn Johnson have a case for the hall of fame? For his 12 season career Irvin had 750 receptions, 11,904 yards, 65 touchdowns. He was a 5 time pro-bowler and 3 time Superbowl winner. Keyshawn in 11 years has 814 receptions, 10,571 yards, and 64 touchdowns. Keyshawn is a 3 time pro-bowler and won one Superbowl. Unlike Irvin, Keyshawn was never accused of being, or arrested for being, a drug addict. I think if Irvin made it, Keyshawn deserves to make it.
I think that point just makes it obvious how illegitimate a candidate Irvin is, doesn't legitimize Key as a HOFer...
Yes. Keyshawn might have been an ear-ache as a teammate, but he has always been a legitimate player. When he was young and brash, he said some dumb things (just ask Wayne!). But he matured over the years and became the ultimate teamate, that is...he did his job. And as far as I know, he's always been an upstanding citizen wherever he's been. And he entertained us all, whether we were with him or against him.
Keyshawn gets to 950 receptions he should be in. If he plays 3 more full seasons he actually should get to 1,000 receptions in his career and will definitley be in.
I didn't think Key was a HOFer. I thought Irvin was, but maybe I was wrong. Either way, if Irvin made it with those numbers, Keyshawn will made it also. Also, Harrison could make it now without playing another game by those numbers. Really shows how much the game has changed over the last 5-7 years.
No Keyshawn doesn't deserve to get in even in Irvin gets in. Irvin probably shouldn't go in but even if he does it's not a reason to put Key in. Very good WR, not HOF WR.
Irvin was one of the best wr's when he was playing, the only that was better of the top of my head was Rice. keyshawn was never a dominate receiver in this league, numbers do not mean anything.
Me-Shawn still needs to pad his stats a little bit, because he doesn't have the "fame" variable that Irvin has due to his role as part of a dynasty. But, as Murrell said, 2 or 3 more full years and he'll be a 2nd or 3rd ballot guy.
Irvin played in an era of a lot of excellent WR. Off the top of my head Rice, Tim Brown and maybe Anthony Miller come to mind? You also had guys like Gary Clark, Henry Ellard, Isac Bruce, Sterling Sharpe, Chris Carter, Irving Fryar, Jimmy Smith and Harrison played during he's era. Now that I look at it a little closer only Rice and Brown are really HOF players. Irvin is in the next group.
Key is more deserving than Irvin because Key was a better player. If Irvin got in then Key should get in too.
Keyshawn has no chance. Look at Art Monk, retired with Superbowl rings and the longest streak of consecutive games with a catch (only Rice has more). If he sits and waits year after year, Keyshawn (and Irvin too, JMO) has no business cutting ahead in line. But I don't worry about that, because its never going to happen anyway. And Winston, you left out James Lofton and Andre Reed too :wink:
When you think Hall of Fame, you can't look at numbers. You have to ask yourself if the player was one of the best at his position in the era in which he played. Was he dominant? Compilers are not Hall of Famers in my eyes and never have been. When you ask yourself if Johnson was one of the best receivers in the NFL during his career, the answer is a resounding no! He had a very good year with the Jets in 98. He was a bit player in the Bucs Super Bowl run. While Irvin was considered part one of the three stars that made the Dallas offense go during their great run in the the 90s, Johnson has bounced from team to team making himself unwelcome. He hasn't even been the best receiver on his team since he left the Jets. Just because a player hangs around and adds 70 catches and 900 yards a year to his numbers year after year does not make him a HOFer. After 98, did any defense have to adjust their game plan to deal with Johnson??? No way.
Lofton didn't really play in Irvin's time frame. He retired after the 91 season. I was never a big Andre Reed fan, he doesn't belong in the same sentence as Lofton. I disagree with you about Monk, he was a good durable WR, he was never among the elite WR in the game during he's career. He's numbers are staggering but he has only 3 pro bowls and there's a reason for it, he wasn't as good as some of the other guys of he's era. I put Ervin ahead of him. In case I didn't mention it key shouldn't be in the conversation. The one area of the HOF that is highly over represented is WR and Key doesn't belong in the conversation with any of the guys in there.
Look at Irvin's numbers from 91-98. He had well over 1000 yards every year except 96, and he had 900 that year and missed 5 games. He was typically racking up 1200-1500 yards a season with 7-10 TDs. That is a dominant receiver. Johnson never gained over 1300 yards and had only 3 seasons with more than 6 TDs. The comparison is not even close.
I agree with you, I'm not sold on Irvin only because you have Rice and Brown to consider in he's era and I don't think he's close to those two. Keyshawn doesn't belong anywhere near a HOF discussion.
Change "Monk" to "Martin" and WR to RB and the rest of the details fit. So should Curtis not be a HOF'er? Numbers mean everything in sports, and durability should count for those that weren't born great atheletes. Its my opinion, but I hope I was able to make a point.
Irvin is in for one reason... he self promotes better than Monk does. Well, that, and the idiot HoF voters put too much emphasis on winning SB rings in a very team based sport. I was reading elsewhere that one voter swears he'd never vote ANY punter into the HoF. These are the tools that vote.... but writers in the HoF? Sure, that's fine. How does Derrick Thomas get passed over and Irvin get s in?
