My first take on this thread is, nobody ever tackled anybody with their mouth. We could use another real difference maker who consistently produces on the field - if he happens to take charge of the group because he is recognized as the glue that holds the whole unit together with his productivity - all the better.
Well you have to compare his "research" to all other MLB's in the 4-3 in the league to get an accurate assessment of where Vilma stands in the league.....I remember someone posting up all 4-3 MLB's during 2004 or 2005 or both, and Vilma's yards per tackle average was above average for the league, and better than some MLB's that are considered great players, so I don't know why you always bring this stat up, when it hurts your argument.
Seriusly we understand you. why do have your bs on heavy rotation, your not a hit man NOBODY wants to hear you. Seriously man, we get vilma is mentally retarted, and herm is an alien. I get it man, Thanks.
Vilma is vocal enough for any team. What we need is a run-stopping leader, not a vocal leader. I'd rather have a defense of mutes who can contain a team's running game.
Yeah he needs to go down to Baltimore and talk to Ray and Ed reed who is also a vocal leader.Kerry Rhodes and Jonathan Vilma could both learn from those dudes.
ROFL... Same story different day... makes me laugh... Never a positive note... and thats got nothing to do with the fact we aren't very good at NT in the 3-4 or DT in the 4-3... In fact we are small. Ellis "Everytime he get's in the elevator, the operator says the same thing to him: "Basement?"
Wow just wow. This Defense has a couple of leaders on the team. Rhodes, Vilma and Barton (who I think is not smart). It has been said to deaf ears by some in here but our D-line stinks. Sorry but it stunk this year. In the 3-4 Defense it is essential to have a line occupy space more so than make plays. Although making plays is good. How much space and how many plays did our D-line make this year? Hardly any. Again, Kimo stunk, Ellis was mediocre and Robertson took essentially half a season to get going. That put a lot of pressure on the LB's and DB's to make plays and prevent big plays against them. Way more than they would receive if the line was lets say adequate, which it isn't. MSU said it pretty well both with argument and fact. Not only will Vilma improve with a better line in front of him but so will the rest of the LB's and DB's. There is drastic room for improvement on the line. This line and the lack of run blocking are the biggest obstacles right now preventing the Jets from becoming an elite team, IMO.......................... although some would throw QB in there. Actually, the LB's and DB's, although they have a few holes/area's of improvement, played well with the hindrance of a poor line in front of them. Yeah Vilma made too many tackles 5 yards down the field but then again so did Barton, Hobson, Thomas, and Rhodes. Shit Dyson got hurt making a tackle 10 yards downfield because Ronny Brown got past the line. I have been saying ad-nauseum that if you improve the line the holes that are seemingly huge like another LB, safety opposite Rhodes and a CB that can play opposite Dyson will get that much smaller. Look at NE and why do you think it is easier for them to plug holes in the LB and DB core with seemingly any mediocre/reserve player? Because their line takes much of the pressure off. You may call me crazy but if our back 8 was in front of their front 3 this Defense maybe better than theirs.
Many will be surprised, but I definitley think Eric Smith can be that type of player. He hits hard, and one of the things on his scouting report was that he was a high character guy. It also said, if I remember right that he was a hard nosed hitter, who is extremely intelligent when on the football field. I like Erik Coleman a lot, but I think Smith could bring that X-factor to our defense.
We have vocal leaders in Kerry Rhodes and Vilma. Rhodes especially is a clear leader of that defense. Watching them in warmups up close it was clear as day who the leader was.
Fired maybe? That still does not tarnish his opinion of JV who he coached when JV was in college right?
Just stating the very obvious facts. Sorry if the real facts hurt. They say ur record says what U are & for sure in JV case it surely is the case no matter if U like it or not. Soon or later just like with Herm U will see that he will be upgraded cause without a dominant MLB there is no winning a SB championship
Guys, guys...this thread was not meant to indict current players. Vilma is a fine player who needs protection in front of him to play at a Pro Bowl level. I was not advocating a mouth alone...Randy White never said two words...it was the physical presence that held his teammates accountable. Of course, it was also his performance that allowed him to be the example. Championship teams need 3 types of players, the Jets have the first 2 types: (1) Team-first players who sublimate their own ambitions for the greater good (Hobson, Robertson, Mangold, Kendall, Ferguson, Houston, McCareins) (2) Skilled players whose talent enables them to make game changing plays (Pennington, Cotchery, Coles, Rhodes, Nugent, Graham, Miller, Washington) (3) Presence players who combine team-first attitude and skilled-play-making ability, with a fearsome presence that demands that the other players on the team be as hungry as he is. (TBD)
