Yeah, exactly. The options are awful, and even in a trade too. I mean how much better is Brissett/McKey over Mariotta, Kyler, Trubisky? I'd rather not spend a pick for 1 year shit rental. If I have to maybe I would give up a 6th, basically burn a pick for Brissett/McKey, but we are talking a 1 year rental here. Maybe Murray, Mariotta or Trubisky are the best options since they don't require a pick. There are just no good options.
Just because someone will float it, I'll beat them to the punch. There's ALWAYS that miniscule chance that Murray finally gets it and then that opens up some doors. The kid is immensely talented and if he could simply get out of his own way he could have a very decent NFL career. Sadly, in Murray's case, it's not the football part of it that he needs to get, unlike Fields, who couldn't hit the broadside of a 5 yd. out route. Murray needs to learn that there 42 other men on that sideline with him and numerous others, within the whole organization, that depend upon his ability to help the team win football games. It concerns me when I hear league insiders talk about he doesn't want "competition" at the position etc. Is he so insecure that he can't handle it? I'd like to think the rumors about his study habits and the way he conducts himself are that, just rumors, but, when a team like Arizona kicks you to the curb...well... I guess it shouldn't surprise me but it does...
I don't have too much hope in him longer term. He is small and is already getting injured a lot. He is a bridge, which is why Arizona kicked him out and saved 20+ mil in 2027. Otherwise in a few days after League year starts, 2027 contract would also become guaranteed. I like him only as a cheap short term bridge solution before we hopefully draft a QB in 2027. But you are right, you never know, thought the size and injuries at that size bother me a lot if you look at him longer term. Depending on what happens with other teams that need a starter, we have an outside shot. Not a great option, but works for the price and factoring no other good optuons.
He’s also had two coaches who are dickheads though. Where do you think the information is coming from? Jonathan Gannon was 15-36 as a head coach. He got physical with his running back on the sideline this year after he fumbled vs. the Titans, got fined and had to apologize. Not to mention he’s always a prick during press conferences and has done very little in this league. Kliff Kingsbury just looks like a dick. But on top of that, he just got fired again for the second time in 3 years and famously told NFL teams he bought a one way ticket to Thailand to be with his girlfriend and to basically leave him alone. The Cardinals & Commanders chose their QB’s over him. So consider where the information comes from. I’m sure Murray has his own warts but this whole thing about him being lazy, or hard to work with is a bit much. Teams also famously want him to “play within the confines of the offense.” Why? So the coach can look like a genius when a scripted play works? He’s a scrambling QB, not a running QB. Making plays outside of the confines of the offense is what he does and he’s quick enough to do it. We’re the coaches mad when he broke a tackle and created 6 seconds to throw a Hail Mary to be Buffalo 5 years ago?
He did have it in his contract that had to study. I think there is something to that, though I agree could be overblown. But I am really more concerned about his size. At 5-10 and already getting injured, scrambling QB, he is not getting any more durable as he gets older. Short term though for 1 mil I really like it.
One thing I will say Lincoln Riley QBs take time to develop in the NFL. He runs a WR scheme open offence. So QBs in college are hitting wide open targets because everyone else is running their routes to free up the number one option. Baker, Kyler and Caleb all went #1 overall because of his offence. But they all struggled because it’s a 1 read or scramble type offensive scheme. Caleb got lucky he got Ben Johnson because he was looking like a deer in headlights his first season taking all those sacks. Kyler got screwed when Kingsbury got canned and had to be in a terrible offensive situation with no protection. Baker as most browns QBs sucked, then had a few cups of coffee and took over on a good team that just came off a super bowl the year before. Bottom line is Lincoln Riley QBs take time to adapt to NFL reads and the scrambling is much tougher with the pro athleticism on the field. It takes time for them to be able to adjust. Kyler is an excellent 2 year bridge guy with potential to make it more than that.
I think Murray’s physical limitations mean that his ceiling is around the 2020-2021 form but that’s a pretty good form and I think he can back there. No, I wouldn’t give him a huge bag. He’s probably in line for something similar to Baker’s second contract with the Buccs. 3 years/$90 million. He’s not coming to the Jets for what you’re thinking..
I don’t think he’s getting more than the minimum from any team this year. His contract with Arizona offsets so anything he makes is taken away from Arizona payout and the new team pays it. There’s no motivation from Kyler or his new team to pay him more than the minimum. and there’s no chance in hell a team is paying him more than what he already would’ve been earning in Arizona. Or that team is stupid and everyone involved in the decision should be fired. Either way there’s a tons of smoke behind Kyler to Minnesota. That seems like the most logical destination for him and the best solution for Minnesota.
OK, Kyler Murray is 5'10". He's not the Mugssy Bogues of the NFL . . . because he's not 5'3"; but that doesn't make him Doug Flutie, either. I don't know, I guess I'm okay with it because what else we got. Which brings me to other tangential thoughts. I don't care what anybody says, but Joe Montana is not 6'2". It's been under debate for years whether he's even 6'0". I was shocked to learn that The Chimp is listed as 6'2" No way. If Mark Sanchez is 6'2", then I'm a monkey's Uncle. Heh.
First off, it's nice to be back online after having a terrible time trying to logon. I don't post a lot but I do like reading what all you knuckleheads have to say(backhanded compliment). On Murray, I know they can get him on the cheap, but from everything I've read, he's not the leader they need at the QB position. Plus, didn't one of his teammates say stay away?
Can’t they pay him the minimum this year and backload or does the offset language work throughout the duration of his next deal?
I believe it’s all guaranteed money from the new team but not 100% sure. So we’d have to give him more than $37 mil guaranteed over the course of whatever the deal is for him to actually make more money.
So, I went and did some digging. Essentially, the only out of pocket $$, for whichever team picks him up, is whatever they offer him to sign. Vet minimum on up. He's going to get $36.8 mill from the Cardinals in 2026 whether he plays or sits. If, and that's a big IF, the Jets wanted him they could get all kinds of crazy with the contract. Vet minimum this year with added years depending upon performance etc. yada yada. Now, having said that, I've heard and read multiple different media outlets reporting that the Jets, more specifically Glenn, didn't want Murray. Which is odd considering I guess Glenn and Murray's dad are friends or something... Of course, this can all be bullshit thrown around to throw off the scent. Bottom line, as I mentioned before, I'm cool with the Jets paying him the vet minimum or damn close to it for a 1 yr. "try and buy." Either he is a bridge QB on into 2027 or he "lights it up" and other options open up. We'll see but this team better pull the trigger on a QB within the next week or two. Let's face it, no matter which way they go: They need to get a QB in the building ASAP to begin getting acclimated in Reich's offense and into the offseason program Begin teambuilding with existing teammates.
