I keep flopping back and forth between Bain and Bailey. I get it with the speed from Bailey, but he can get blocked out of plays. Bain isn't nearly as fast, but he's in on every play, and even the big boys have trouble blocking him with a double team. He's just strong as fuck and his hand placement is great already.
Meanwhile: Daniel Jeremiah @MoveTheSticks David Bailey 6035 251 10 1/4 hand 33 3/4 arm 79 3/4 wing That's a monster
Arvell Reese (LB/EDGE, Ohio State) Height: 6'4" Weight: 241 Arm Length: 32 1/2" Hand Size: 9 1/2" He's going to put on at least 10-15 pounds over the first two years of his career. His 40 and shuttle scores are going to be nuts.
I think we may have to take this beast. Surprisingly Reese came up with relatively short arm as well. Bailey hit on everything. This 5 at the end of 6035 is 5/8th. He is almost 6-4 like Reese. Already 251lbs. Bain is less than 31 inch arm. If we are looking at combine as some sort of tie breaker/gathering more info, Bailey's stock has slightly improved in comparison to Reese and Bain. I was leaning towards him before combine, and for me the combine didn't really change anything. Reese is already a projection on top of projection for DE in the NFL, and under 33 arm is another knock. Most of his stock is based on potential and people thought he might have 35 inch arms. But he actually has below 33. I think I would go Bailey, Bain, Reese at this juncture, so similar rankings as before the combine for me.
There's still a ton of combine that has to play out, but the part that could really put Bain in a hole is what's already happened. I think Reese's arm length is nowhere near the concern that Bain's is because 1. Bain's arms are historically short and 2. they play different positions and do different things. Reese's 40 time and shuttle times are going to put him over the top. For a 4-3 LB that is going to be asked to rush the passer and cover the flat, I think his measurables and eventual times make him ideal for today's NFL. I feel like a broken record but in order for Bain to be what people say he is he's going to have to buck literally every single record when it comes to arm length, height, etc.
Also on Reese... his arms actually are above average for an NFL OLB. He's 32.5, average is 32.2. We have to stop treating him like a DE especially if we're going to be lining him up in a defense that clearly is ready to cater to the talent on the roster.
That's exactly the point, we have to stop treating him as a DE, especially now that arm is a bit short for the position plus he hasn't played much of a DE. He is a LB. Agreed with your concern on Bain too, though i do think he will be good. At #2 I do want a DE, not LB. That brings us to Bailey, which is the guy I wanted all along before the combine results (so far) solidified it.
Well we should stop treating Reese as a DE because he isn't one, not because of his arms. I've been saying for weeks that focusing on his pass rush ability is only telling half the story. And that's why he's an elite prospect.
As I've already said upthread, the measurable conversation is secondary by a WIDE margin. For anyone who watched Bain play, the arm length thing is a non-factor because guess what? He's been dominating all the same type of big, long armed O lineman that he'll be doing at the next level. Stats and metrics don't do a very good of supporting an argument like short arm length when the subject in question (Bain) has done everything on the field of play to completely debunk that measurable. Do those measurable matter? For some players, sure. But for guys who dominate everyone in front of them on the field of play, arm length is a secondary indicator. This is where having an eye for talent evaluation becomes even more critical and what separates the good GMs/scouting depts from the rest. Unfortunately the Jets crew has been in the "rest" camp basically forever. The Jets scouting and GM have been horrible at identifying elite talent and how it will translate at the pro level. I don't have much faith in them so we shall see.
Not talking about the speed numbers or height but his arm length and wingspan put question marks when he came out Hutchinson was 32 inches arm length i think
Hutch: Key Combine Measurements & Results: Height: 6'7" Weight: 260 lbs Arm Length: 32.125 inches Hand Size: 10.25 inches 40-Yard Dash: 4.74 seconds 10-Yard Split: 1.62 seconds 3-Cone Drill: 6.73 seconds 20-Yard Shuttle: 4.15 seconds Vertical Jump: 36 inches Broad Jump: 9 feet, 9 inches (117 inches) Bain: Height 6' 2 1/4" Weight 263 lbs Arm Length 30 7/8" Hand Size 9 1/8" Wingspan 77 1/2" 32 inch arm was considered smaller than ideal, which is 33. But we are now with Bain at the territory where he is not even 31. Plus he is 6-2, not 6-7. It is a bit worrisome, not going to lie. I still would pick him over a LB in Reese, but Bailey seems to be pulling away. And not just because of combine, combine just solidified what I already was thinking based on tape.
What defense? The formation that’ll be on the field 20% of the time? He’s not a DE, you’re right. He’s a nickel MLB.
So where will he play in the Nickel defense, or do you think we’ll be running 3-4 D against 3 WR sets? It’s a fair question and for a guy that’s head over heels for the player you’re touting you should easily have an answer. 65% of offensive plays are in 3 wr sets, which NFL defenses counter with Nickel packages. So what position is Reese in a Nickel D? Edit: in case you’re unaware, a Nickel package includes 4 down lineman, 2 MLB’s, 3 CB’s and 2 S. What position is Reese in this formation?
For starters, let's relax. This isn't an interrogation it's a discussion. My point is that there's a reason you have seen close to no one reputable panic the way you're panicking about where Reese lines up on the field against literally any offensive formation. He projects to be a decent pass rusher and above average if he can put on weight (and he will). He will play the run. He will close out in the flat. He will cover TEs up the seam. And to answer your question which is kind of irrelevant because in 2026 lining up somewhere doesn't mean that much, he would probably be a DE. But again that's such a pointless question to answer because lining up at DE or MLB can mean the DE drops into cover and the MLB plays the box/blitzes.
He definitely had a dip in numbers. I found he lost some composure and he was trying to do too much instead of just trusting to play within himself. Might have something to do with chasing Mendoza and Moore in the rankings and trying too hard and forcing throws he wasn’t forcing early in the season. This is why I think for whoever drafts him, he has to play right away. Which is the opposite of 90% 1 year starter QB prospects. His ability to process the D and ability to know where everyone on the field is evident in his play. His anticipation throws are good but at the NFL level if he can make this quality Great he could be special. He reminds me a lot of Daniel Jones. Also as a guy who likes to analyze QBs, this kids mechanics are flawless. I mean his drops and throwing motion is more than polished. It’s a thing of beauty. With the lighting quick decisions, high FBI and how he took care of the football makes for a prospect that I can see a team fall in love with.
4.51 40 time. Seems like an athletic freak with great measurables who led FBS in sacks and #2 in TFL, stepped up in a big way in play-offs. At this point should be the favorite for #2. https://x.com/RapSheet/status/2027142621517205861
