Hutch doesn't have long arms. Walker does. That was really the point, taking Reese would be taking less proven but uber athletic College player with potential to be a great NFL Edge, but who is more of a projection.
QB at 2 is not an option with Moore out of the draft. I don't even want to see a QB in the 1st two rounds at all.
We can't compare a known to an unknown. But we can say that if one was better than the other at the same age then he'll probably be better when he's older too.
Ehh not quite. Hutch was a good athlete with great production who happened to have suboptimal arm length. Walker was a freak of all freaks athlete who didn't have great production at all. They were both the same age. And Hutch's arms weren't historically short, they were just kind of short for a 6'6 guy. Either way, arm length has very little to do with why I prefer Reese at #2.
It's n its not what you or I or anybody else thinks, it's what are the jets thinking? unless they pick up someone respectable (and who knows what that means) before the draft, i don't see how they resist going QB early.
You don't spend the second overall pick on a bad QB just because you need a QB. If they do that then it will be less competent than most of the things they have done in the past year. But maybe you're right. The Jets could just be that stupid.
QB could be 16. the interesting point is, in just about every draft, there is a QB passed over a number of times because teams thought he was not all that good, when in reality he turns out good or better. the Jets just might think a certain guy will be good despite many converse opinions.
There is always that, but over the years I have lost almost all hope that the Jets can find one of those QBs, and have even less hope if they find that guy that they'll actually develop him. I'm in the camp that you have a veteran starter and keep drafting young QBs until you hit, maybe not in the first round though. The Jets haven't made this team much of a destination for veterans players, so it kind of feels like a catch-22. They have sucked badly at the QB position for most of my life.
possibly not true, as you have been posting since 2003, as have I. But I am old, closer to 100 than 70. So we have seen Joe, chad, Brett, vinnie, aaron, Fitz1year, now sam and geno having success with other teams. Even Todd was acceptable, and Sanchez's team went to championship twice. Its just either miserable coaching, bad luck with injuries, extremely poor drafting that have done them in.
This is an excellent point. Knowing how a kid practices, how he balanced school (especially at Stanford) and football is great insight. Pretty confident they will know if he’s worthy of #2. I said it before that he reminds me of Von Miller and Von went #2 as well. Will be interesting to see
The thing that makes me most nervous about Reese is that he was the 3rd best player on the Ohio State defence… from watching the tape Downs and Styles popped more consistently on tape. Reese made splash plays. Some that were outstanding no doubt but consistently Downs and Styles led their D. I feel he’s a luxury pick player, a joker on D that can play a number of positions. Is that what the Jets need? I’m not to sure.
Simpson at 33 or 44 isn’t terrible. He has a lot of quality attributes you look for in a pro QB. The sample size is small and that’s definitely a concern but from what I’ve seen he’s a pretty clean prospect. He doesn’t show me an all pro game but what he does show me is that he can manage a game, take care of the football, make the right reads and has some fire in the belly when the game is in the balance. I’d much rather wait till 2027 as that qb prospects pool looks really deep but I would not be surprised if they pull the trigger on Simpson in the 2nd round
You can compare these probabilities mathematically, even if they are different ages. Let me try to illustrate one more time, and if we are still not on the same page, we'll move on. Let's suppose someone came to you before last season started and showed you the odds to win SB by all teams, say focusing on the Rams and the Patriots. The Rams at the start may have had +2000 odds, while NE +8000. Not even close. Then you don't follow what happened at all, but someone comes after week 11 or 12 and says NE is doing pretty well, and now their odds are +1500, and no idea about the Rams. If you must make a bet at this point of time for one of these two teams, you can still make an intelligent bet, which would involve last known probability for Rams (+2000) and NE (+1500). Saying at that time that, well since the Rams had preseason odds better than NE, and teams with better preseason odds usually do better and betting on the Rams would not be a wise thing to do. Because you are ignoring the fact NE odds have changed, which means the original NE odds are irrelevant, you should only look at the latest available ones. Anyway, if you still disagree, that's fine And this is not to say that I don't like Reese at 2. I don't think there as an obvious choice at #2, and I would be intrigued with Reese too. I also agree Hutch/Walker may not have been the best comparison, that one was too obvious. I am just worried that we are projecting Reese at the position he has not played much plus we are projecting he will do great there, whilst when he did play it he had a smaller pass rush win rate, while others played the position and proved more. But the potential is immense, agreed on that too.
I guess if he really measures 6-2 210, we could look at him in the second round. But if he is small like Nuss, I would not look him at all in the 1st two rounds. Size does matter a lot. It's just a massive obstacle to overcome aside from everything else, it drastically reduces probability of success. Small guys have hard time succeeding even if they are dominating College ball. Nuss did not exactly dominate last year, injured a lot, and on top of small overall size, also small hand. Simpson is better in the sense where he did produce a lot more last year, he did dominate early, though fizzled later, and might be bigger. So, in the second round I suppose it is not too terrible to look at Simpson (bot not Nuss IMO). But ideally we find a way to get a better prospect in 2027 without burning high picks this year. Of course the problem is that we may win 6 games next year and depending on who declares and how the College season and draft order plays out may not even be in position to get a great prospect in 2027, while we have to make the determination about these QBs now. So I would understand if he measures favorably, looking at Simpson in the second even if not ideal.
