I generally don’t care either and Bain is a really good prospect. The problem is not just that he has short arms or is in the lowest percentile - it’s that he might have like the shortest arms ever for a legitimate edge prospect. It still wouldn’t stop me from drafting him but it’ll be interesting to see if it ultimately matters at the next level.
Yeah it's tough, because I really do like Bain's tape so there's a part of me that thinks I'm overthinking it. But at the same time, people were concerned about Aidan Hutchinson and Dwight Freeney's arms and they both had arm lengths ~1.5 inches longer than Bain's are expected to be. So you're kind of betting on an outlier of an outlier. I will say though that if Bain has a large wingspan then that will put some of the arm length concerns to rest since wingspan is more important anyway.
Not sure what Bain's measurements will be, but Hutch significantly outperformed Walker in College, it was not even close. We are talking more than double pressure rate, triple the sacks, things like that. Measurements were not a tie breaker for Walker, they were basically the only thing why a guy like that was drafted ahead of Hutch, who did 3 times better in College. That is also wrong. It's not the same situation where for example Bailey and Bain are both great College players, and measurements could tilt the scale.
Measurable’s like arm length do matter. However, it’s not the be all end all. For me in a pass rush the most important thing in my opinion is the motor. The motor needs to run hot! I don’t think Bains arms are going to matter much because he faces guards almost as much as tackles. He plays inside and out. For me the biggest compliment is being double teamed and Bain was doubled a lot on film. OCs knew they needed that kind of protection to stop him from wrecking ball games.
Honestly, this is one of the weakest draft classes in recent history. I don't see any 1st rounders at any position who would be a 1st rounder in any previous draft. The year is going to be a bust anyway, Glenn will be fired next year, and I'd start tanking now. I'd say trade away all 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks for high picks next year. Of course, that's not going to happen, but I just don't see any impact players in the draft; all have glaring red flags.
That's quite the statement. No first rounder at any position in any previous draft. For 2, I think it's going to be up in the air until the last week or 2, then we will get some strong indications. I'm more about the safe bet that will be a high level player for many years. Give me the defensive guy that's one of the best at his position, the Jets don't need the mvp or the best. Just one that's in the conversation as a top player at their position.
Is all I'm sayin'. By this time you all have to know I've watched every hour I can find on this kid. He's the real deal and, damn it, for once in this team's history let's DRAFT the real deal for a change instead of "upside."
I agree, I mean of course the year we get #2 there is no clear cut prospect. I think there are several players that have a chance to be the pick. Bain, Bailey and Reese are the favourites but I have Downs and Love as better prospects. The issue is the position Downs, Reese and Love play. Now, we are the Jets so taking the true best player isn’t a terrible idea but the talking heads will push the position value. My top 10 goes like this as of now: 1.Downs 2.Mendoza 3. Love 4. Mauigoa 5. Bain 6. Bailey 7. Fano 8. Reese 9. Tate 10. Delane
Anyone remember when Br4d used to drone on and on about Sanchez’ arms being too long? Of course, he also had an irrational fear of gumball machines.
If I remember my NFL history, the NFL is a COPYCAT league. Did anyone watch the Super Bowl? I did, and I like what I saw McDonald do with his Safeties. Maye didn't know what hit him. Me thinks we should be "reconsidering" how important a guy like Downs might be. I like Bain, I really really do. However, I'm also in agreement that Downs is/should be the top rated talent. So, tell me, when we have such mediocre safeties, why Downs wouldn't be a good pickup? Face it, Safety IS one of 11 guys who play on defense and I'd LOVE to be able to say and show we have 1st round talent at all 3 levels. Not hedging on Bain, just opening the "argument" on Downs. Does/can Downs last until 16?
Not arguing Downs as a player or prospect, but a pass rusher trumps a safety in impact to the game…the pass rusher can impact every single down whereas a safety generally doesn’t. Not saying Downs isn’t a good player, but for me, taking a safety at 2 is a bit of a reach…he’d basically have to turn into a guy like Ed Reed or Troy Polamalu, and neither of those guys were taken in the top 5, let alone at 2. Now if we say trade down and take Downs a bit later, maybe that makes more sense. But overall, I’d personally lean towards the pass rusher
I would argue that a good center fielder safety can impact the game as much as a good pass rusher. Their position is the first thing the quarterback checks on every single down and if it's a pass play, most times that is the first deciding factor on any adjustments. Good safeties tend to share defensive on-field playcalling duties with the MLBs and they are usually used as run support on rushing downs. They are probably the most versatile position on the defensive side of the field
Yeah, I don’t disagree all that much really…it’s important, and a GREAT safety for sure impacts the game…some of the best I’ve watched play are those two I mentioned…Reed and Polamalu. And again, I’m not knocking Downs at all. However, positional importance does matter when we have needs all over our D. And just even our own history, I think it was Idzik who took Calvin Pryor in round 1, and he busted, and then Mac took Jamal Adams in round 1 and he was an All Pro safety, but it didn’t move the needle enough on our team. Very few safeties are GREAT enough to be THAT impactful in determining wins and losses. Maybe Downs is, I don’t know. But just for ME, I’d choose the pass rusher (Bain, Reese, Bailey, etc.) over a safety if it were me calling the shots on draft day. Doesn’t mean I don’t think Downs is good, I just would rather have a pass rusher at 2 overall than a safety.
I agree man, Downs is certainly worthy as he is a stud on the back end. I feel he’s the best player in the draft. The way he reads the game, tackling ability, coverage skills and awareness on the field. I don’t think there’s a snowballs chance he’s there at 16. I don’t think he makes it out of the top 10
How does this sound? Bain at #2, package #44 with #16 to move back up, take Downs and Nussmeier at #33? I'm going to leave that idea stand but say "nah" to my own idea. But I would love to know what others think of the idea...
