Derek Carr's issue was getting his head beat in weekly behind a shit OL. The Jet OL is far better and could provide Carr with enough incentive to play one last year. Should come down to what condition he's still in and what capability he still has.
I'm on your page. Now THERE is a GM that will never see another GM job, ever. He'll be lucky to land on someone's scouting staff after that debacle. Which leads me to a question that has bugged me since he did that dumbassery last year: WHAT IS IT with these GM types and "their" draft picks? "Oooo, I didn't draft him so we need to go with the guy I drafted." Bro, you just won 14 games with a guy that YOU saw fit enough to sign to your team! Talk about looking the "gift horse" in the mouth and then slapping said horse! Just because you drafted a kid in the 1st round doesn't mean you shit up the team because your ego has to have it's ass kissed. Anyone with HALF a football brain cell knew THAT wasn't going to go well. Not like Darnold wasn't a top FIRST ROUND draft pick of an NFL team or something. Wasn't like he was an undrafted FA that had been knocking around the league. I tell you, if these dudes could get of HALF their own way there'd be a lot more success in the NFL. Crazy insane... That's TWICE now that Seattle can thank the Jets. They had a pretty nice run with Geno and now just nailed down a SB with Sam. And fuck all if Darnold doesn't have at least another 10 years ahead of him leading that team.
Carr would have been a bad choice 3 years ago, he'd be an even worse choice no. Absolutely not. And Schefter wrote yesterday that if the Cards are gonna trade a QB it looks like it's going to be Kyler, not Brissett. Understandably.
Seattle drafted very well, got good FAs. But when it comes to QB, they got super lucky with Sam after unfathomable mistake by the Vikings, which got their GM fired. I doubt something like this will happen again. They were even saying on the broadcast Sam was the 1st one in NFL history to lead a team to SB victory after being bounced around like that.
No one should ever try to recreate the Seahawks path to a title. It won't work. The only comparable thing I can think of is Kurt Warner in 2008 but he was also an MVP and Super Bowl winning QB. The journeyman QB gimmick rarely ends in anything other than a playoff appearance which I guess would be great for us currently but I'd much rather find a longterm solution rather than praying for a miracle.
Thing about Sam is, look who he bounced around to... Draft by the biggest turd in the modern NFL Moved on to another one of the turds in the NFL Finally got to a place where QB's are valued and a man who understands how to teach QB's, knew it was going to be a brief stop because of Purdy Here's the real head scratcher, landed on another good team and was inexplicably tossed aside Then there's the Seahawks Had Purdy not be in San Francisco he'd still be there and had Minny's GM not been a complete buffoon it's a better than average bet that would have been Minnesota in the SB and not Seattle. At least, in the conversation. At the end of all this, just pisses me off that I continue to support a team that leads the league in self inflicted damage. Year in and out. If you believe in the theory that SB caliber QB's only come along so often, that would mean the Jets shit their wad back in 2018 and are now back "on the clock" for a SB caliber QB that could last another decade. JSMH I did not, nor do not consider Sam Darnold a "journeyman" QB. That title is reserved for the Brissetts, Minschews, Wentz's of the world who have had a very large hand in their constant movement to multiple teams. Darnold landed in TWO of the top shit piles of the NFL and one where the intent was to come in and put himself back together. You simply can't count the Minny one because any GM worth half a shit would have never let him walk out the building. I don't care if Minny had drafted McCarthy #1 overall, you don't let a guy walk out the building who just won you 14 games. Full stop.
Agreed! Well that GM got canned for that decision and rightfully so Why you would throw away a QB that you KNOW works in your system for a rookie who didn’t play that you HOPE will play just as well is crazy to me. I think ego is a big part of it. Oh they may say well it’s money because we can pay a rookie salary instead of paying Sam, but that’s kind of just an excuse. The whole idea is to GET A QB. They had one. GM got cocky and bet on his own shit, and it backfired. Good for him. But you know, we have had our own version of this stuff too, just not with a QB. We just saw our GM trade away two all pro caliber players to get himself some picks, that he now has to hope that they turn into players as good as the ones that he just traded away. I’m a big believer in you don’t get better by trading away good players, so we’ll see how it works out for us. I get both guys underperformed this year but to me, you have to ask if that is due to a decline in talent or due to changes in coaching and scheme and motivation. I’d say as they are both still young guys, I’d point to coaching. We’ll see…I get the cap and the bounty of picks and all that, but now Mougey will have to deliver with all these picks.
The arguments against Kirk Cousins as a 2026 option at QB (assuming he gets his release) are starting to sound as emotionally driven and irrational to me as the ones at this time last year that were arguing we needed to move on from an already-in-house Aaron Rodgers (who at the time was clearly the best QB play option that was realistically going to be available to us for the foreseeable future). Frank Reich is going to need a QB that can take over a bad culture franchise (that isn't changing no matter what we do), pick up a year 1 offense on the fly, and hopefully show a high enough floor while doing it that we aren't left firing everybody (again) at the end of the year. Since if we can't finally get over that first hurdle then we just stay stuck never finding any continuity that is needed to move every good franchise forward. Not liking Cousins for that current need is kinda silly imo.
My plan would be to sign Wentz and draft Garrett Nussmeier with #33. Wentz won't cost anything, knows Frank and his system, is a solid vet and still can perform in this league. Nussmeier was the consensus #1 QB in this draft entering the season. He had an abdominal injury that was wrongly diagnosed by LSU yet he played in 9 games. Watch last year's tape. That's who he really is. Son of a coach and a great kid by all accounts. 24 years old with 22 starts (also played in 18 other games).
Wentz sucks and had major season-ending surgery in November. He shouldn’t even be in consideration IMO He won’t be there in the 4th and we dont have a third. We’re gonna have t take him at 44 if we want him. He’s also going to have a good combine so that’s gonna ratchet up the pressure to take him there. And Id be fine with it.
Wentz is not a world beater but has had success with Reich and can still be a functional QB. His surgery was on his non-throwing shoulder. He will be ready by camp. I just feel he can be a steady vet presence for this offense and a good guy for whatever rookie they bring in. And I agree, Nussmeier is not making it to round 4. I will be shocked if he makes it out of round 2. Hell, after the combine and pro day, he could slide back into the first round.
Agreed. But the way to find a long-term solution is by being as bad as possible next season unfortunately.
Gotta disagree. To me it’s significantly better to develop your young talent into starter-level and above players. We have three first round picks in a loaded QB draft. We probably will have our own in the top 10 and high odds the Colts pick is top 15. We have the ammo and if all these guys have good seasons (even if 75% of them do) the board is going to favor us. I see no value in bottoming out when we’re going to have 4 top-44 picks on the roster and a bunch of young guys that flashed potential last year.
Sam Darnold never happens on the Jets. Which makes that whole complaint moot today. Best case scenario that doesn't involve drafting Zach Wilson still sees 1 more year of terrible production Sam Darnold at QB and getting booed out of the building. Tops. It also still sees Woody eventually taking the same fork in the road to chase after the "superbowl run" with Rodgers as well. To the exact same universal amount of wildly popular cheers and fan support behind it. You still end up exactly where we are today at QB.
Getting the right long-term QB will do far more for our team than maximizing the growth of our WRs and TEs for one year. We just do this thing every year where we downplay the importance of all out tanking only to have it bite us in the ass every year because we didn't tank quite enough. Not maximizing the pick also means we risk having to trade away a 2027 first rounder to get the QB we want. An extra first round pick + a better QB prospect >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a better development year for our WRs and TEs. It's not even close.
No QB is surefire, don't care how good of a prospect they are. So in my mind you can completely throw away a season where you have a chance to develop 10-12 young guys into starters for a QB that might be terrible or great, or you can develop 10-12 young guys into starters and also take a QB that might be terrible or great. Im going the latter every time. Everyone seems to be able to do it but us.
I just totally reject this notion that having a good QB next year is the difference between our young guys developing or not. There's no world in which players who were always going to be good suddenly have their careers nosedive because they spent a year with a bad QB. It is, however, much easier to imagine a world in which we miss out on one of the 1-2 good QBs in a draft due to draft position. We've lived that reality for years now.
