I'm pretty sure the standard cut off date is September 2 for birthdays when starting school. I know this because my birthday is September 1st and I was always the youngest in my class.
Well said. Bain you know is going to be a guy we can depend on. He’s a guy you can have out there on any down and feel good about it.
It actually depends on what state you are in. NY is Dec 31st for example. Where other states can be Sep 1st, Sep 30th and Dec 31st.
https://sports.yahoo.com/articles/jets-linked-young-edge-rusher-184928280.html I dont have a agenda for Bain, just want the most ready impact player we can get but also do other things. I do think the top 10 will look really different with each mock as combine and interviews take place
The more I dig on the kid, the more I like. Again, per my soapbox rant above, we absolutely MUST have a guy at #2 who can step on the field and wreak havoc on downs 1, 2, 3 AND 4...and we KNOW it before he's ever drafted. We don't have to talk about those 4 words I'll never say again when it comes to football players not positioned at the QB spot. To be honest, EVERY single draft pick should be that mindset all the way down the list. There are over 81,000 CURRENT college football players in the United States. I'm sure you can throw another 1,000 from teams in Canada and abroad. If this is done CORRECTLY, Mougey should be able to find starting material all the way down into the 4th/5th round. The GOOD teams do it and the Jets need to LEARN HOW to do it. I can't remember which G.G. member stated it but he/she was very clear this team is always digging for "potential" instead of digging for "help us right damn now." Shit, broke my own rule there! From now on, it's the "P" word! We have a lot of super smart posters on this board, I'd be willing to bet many of them can find us starters/playing rotational guys all the way down to our last pick. Whether that be a guy that can play specials and contribute on a rotational basis to guys like Bain who will never leave the field. A side note: after reading that article, link above in @Poeman's post, the PFF guy mentioned injury history. What I found out is not an injury history. The kid has missed only a handful of games in 3 years. If it's not a history then don't bring it up PFF guy. esshhh...
New York, for example, does not have a statewide cutoff date. It all depends on what district you are in.
August 31st in the UK, I am 25th, and was generally the youngest as well; there was a girl younger for some of the time
That’s a good comp and see where you are coming from for sure. Freeney had a lot more pass rush moves in his bag though. Bain has flashes of Bruce Smith on the high end and the consistency/ floor of JFM. He was doubled so much in college that really sky is the limit for him
Btw guys, Campbell got abused last night, and in general is now perceived as a lesser OT talent than Membou and Banks, according to folks like Rodgers, Sikkema, and others, who do exercises like redraft after the year is over. While all 3 were great College players, Campbell produced more in College and was drafted higher. However, his arms were measured a bit too short for the position. Still he is a good player, but ... it does make a difference at the Pro level. A shit College player with good athletic measurements should not shoot up the board. But a good College player with bad measurements is something that might drop him a bit and put him below other good college players. This is where NFL combine will provide some value. Say if Bain measures with short arms but Bailey clears. Doesn't mean Bain sucks, but it may mean that given they are both great College players, Bailey perhaps gets that tie breaker and Bain drops a little.
He didn't get abused all season long. So he had a bad game on the biggest stage. TRUST me, it had nothing to do with the length of his arms. Some of these "measurables" are a crock of shit yet get peddled because the bean counters and talking heads, in most cases who have never played a down of football in their lives, needs something to talk about and tear down players. As I stated above, if a man has 4 or 5 inches difference then we are discussing advantage/disadvantages. Not a huge difference but it's part of the equation. If we are talking half an inch then get out of my face with that. It's like saying a 6'1" QB is significantly better than a 6' 9/16ths of an inch guy. Seriously?
Campbell was bad all season long, not just last night. They talked about it on the broadcast after he gave up a pressure on the first offensive series of the game. Whether or not it was his short arms is another thing.
True, but I think everything matters in the evaluation process and for OT and DEs arm length is a factor. How big, not sure, but I know I and a few others wanted Membou over Campbell for that reason. So far, whether it factored in or not, I think NE would have picked Membou (or maybe even Banks) if they had to do over. The whole season was not as good as Membou. There is a reason why they have these thresholds (34 is usually for OT), even Mooge talked about importance of measurables. You sure you want to just laugh it off and arm length was not a factor?
Throw the arm length shit out the window. Watch Bain's game tape. That answers all questions about the silly arm bs. You only use post-season events like All Star Bowl games and combine workout warrior measurables like arm length, hand size, 40 times, vertical, IF the player didn't show out consistently on game film. Evaluations begin and end with game tape. All this measurable stuff is secondary if the prospect hasn't done enough in games. I don't have any questions on Bain. He's a true shit disturber which is exactly what the Jets need.
It's silly to say the patriots would reevaluate their selection based on one game or an up and down season for a rookie. If someone watched all his tape this year good on you. His grades were good. He had a pretty significant injury during the season he had to come back from and by ratings he was an above average tackle, but in the lower end of left tackles. Id put more on he's a rookie in the super bowl going against a defense first in points, first in pass/rush DVOA and top 10 in sacks. Again, just silly to look at a super bowl and season, that included an MCL injury, and think the patriots would question the selection. That's a couch qb knee jerk reaction. Pointing out arm length just a way to point to Bain, it's a red herring. I can find a lot of successful players with smaller arms. Jason Peters, Matt Light, Maholmes hands are incredibly small, Melvin Ingram, Jared Allen, etc.
You are getting a little too obsessed with "negative". Yeah, measurables matter to SOME extent. Mooge said the same thing: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DTy4tHVjvry/ Relax, not every statement is about "negative". I still like Bain, just saying combine may be important to decide tie breaker between several players we think are close with Campbell vs Membou as an example reference point. I get it, but you can't completely discount measurables. It's logical that that there is SOME weight to it, and again, listen to Mooge pointing this out if you do not believe me.
I'm 100 percent discounting his small arms had to do with his performance yesterday, and one year is not enough for me to say they effect him in any meaningful way that will impact his career. A year in which he misses 1/4 of the season with a knee injury. Unless you are comparing it to if he had arms as long as cruches, then you have a point. If 5 years down the line he sucks, congrats on being right but the process getting there was wrong. Of course measurable matter, saying they do just has zero relevance to the discussion. It's more nuanced. It's misleading to say I'm discounting all measurables because I'm not saying .5 inches of arm length mattered at this point.
