Haha, again we will never agree on this. I'll never understand your logic. Funny I was actually thinking about you while I was shoveling, I thought that maybe you were doing a social experiment to see how you would do if you took the 20 side of an 80/20 argument the tried to convince a group of people (Jets fans are low hanging fruit lol) that you were right. Honing your debate skills perhaps. Aside from that, I will never understand your stance on this. Agree to disagree as usual.
I also thought you liked Glenn as a coach, which is why you didn't want to get rid of him. Previously you said he (and Wilks) raised the bar: https://forums.theganggreen.com/threads/aaron-glenn-new-head-coach.100705/page-2#post-4440692 What is your stance now on this? Is he a good coach, bad, OK, would you have fired him?
Well there are a few on here who are defending keeping Glenn…not sure why as I’ve heard nothing specific on that other than general stuff like “no one could win with this roster” (ignoring the fact that Glenn handpicked the QB and most if not all of these players played better under the previous coaching staff), or “can’t fire him after one year, he deserves another year with a better team”, or “can’t fire him after one year because that would be too dysfunctional and we would not be able to attract a better HC”, or stuff along those kinds of lines. I get the dysfunctional aspect, and honestly we ARE dysfunctional. That comes straight from Woody being a clueless fucking idiot, and that won’t change. The problem is, though, that if we agree that we are dysfunctional, keeping Glenn another year doesn’t really change that perception honestly. What is it going to do? Yes we are a dumpster fire. Letting Glenn start the season and go something like 0-6 and then firing him doesn’t make it any better. Especially lately, there are many instances of one and done. It’s not all that unusual and in fact, teams that did that have already paid dividends. The Broncos saw enough of Hackett that they didn’t even let him finish his first year. The Patriots said see ya to a franchise player as well. I just think that our stigma is already real…firing a terrible coach after one year isn’t going to make it much worse than it already is, and keeping him isn’t going to make it much better. And there is like zero evidence to point to about why Glenn can be expected to turn it around…this team was one of the worst coached teams around…I’m sure if Payton was to come here after Glenn, he’d have similar comments like he had when he got to Denver after Hackett was fired…talking about how everything was a hot mess. Glenn with his “trust me” while giving us no basis to do so…can’t point to anything on the field outside of the return game and our punter that actually improved to any real extent…just nothing to hang our hat on. But keeping him for the sake of keeping him because we couldn’t get any HC here makes no sense to me…as bad a franchise as we are, we will not be any more attractive than we would be today with plenty of cap space and 5 first round picks in the next two drafts. Now would be the best time to make a change…
If the Jets fired There’s a third option. It’s the one I take. I didn’t like the Glenn hire, I don’t think he’s a good coach, but if the Jets fired him after this one season I’d be pissed off. You can’t hire a head coach, give him a starting QB who forgot how to play QB, sell off talent midseason, and then fire an all-time Jets great when the team doesn’t win. Not to be overlooked - firing AG because you’ve identified and reached out to a better replacement wouldn’t just be the biggest Rooney Rule violation in history, it’d also mean buying Aaron Glenn a small island with the lawsuit he’d win.
Lol guy, not to defend another poster, but your asking him to explain a post about Glenn being a good coach from January 2025, days before his initial presser. I know you and a handful of other people consider yourself such football savants that you could label Glenn a HC bust before he even spoke at his first press conference, but unfortunately not everyone has such armchair confidence. I'm sorry this is absurd.
very much wouldn’t fire him after a year I think that’s stupid. 6 games like that other guy said even stupiderer idk what kind of coach he is, that roster was simply pathetic and they were even trying to lose by October/November
"You can’t hire a head coach, give him a starting QB who forgot how to play QB." Let's start here, no one gave him anything, he wanted him, praised him and said he had never been coached up. Let's not gloss over that. "sell off talent midseason" They did this after starting 0-7, they were terrible with 8 of 11 starters on defense returning with the QB and staff they chose. "and then fire an all-time Jets great when the team doesn’t win" He retired a Texan
If we're waiting on better ownership before we do anything, nothing will ever get done for this franchise. However, at the time, the Texans were laughed at quite a bit for the way that their front office and ownership situation was configured, with ownership promoting Easterby to VP of Football Operations They've gotten considerably better at the time, but I'm not sure it could be said that their ownership situation at that time was significantly better than what the Jets have now. I'm not usually a fan of the idea of firing someone after their first season, but this season was so bad (as in, historically bad) and such an embarrassment, even by the already low standards the New York Jets set for themselves, that not only was a change warranted, I believe it was necessary. But, ultimately, that doesn't really matter because the decision has already been made to run it back with what's left of this coaching staff. It's a bad decision, and one that really means that the Jets have punted on 2026 nine months before it even begins, but it's still how they're choosing to go about it and there's nothing anyone not named Woody Johnson can do about it. So, at this point, I just say embrace the tank and let's go get that #1 pick.
THIS! This talk track about Fields is crazy…we had Rodgers, who while not the Rodgers of old, was still MUCH better than Fields ever was. Glenn chose Fields. I don’t know why people point to this when it was his choice!
If people here can definitively say that Glenn deserved to be fired before week 6, then i can say those same people would be more mad and illogical if we kept Rodgers and ended up with a pick in the 8-12 range.
I see the logic with that. If I just didn't get it till now, I do now. There could be more next year too though. It is what It is. I just don't know if the quality will be as good, then again, like BA said. Perhaps we wouldn't have gotten anyone of value anyway. Yeah. Alright..
A Saint, actually. Joe Klecko retired a Colt. Namath a Ram. A third of the posts on this board from November 1 forward were rooting for a tanked season. Most seem to agree the team was trying to do just that. Same number now rooting for a tanking in 2026. If AG were a guy I never rooted for, it would still be a shitty thing to do to the guy you’re paying to scuttle the ship, but i would hardly care.
Clap this man up speaking truth!! Thank you!! Glenn didn’t inherit this mess, he chose it and then steered it straight into the ground.
It's Saleh and LaFleur all over again. They're blaming and punishing the guy who was least at fault. I have to find humor in how consistently incompetent the franchise is at this point. Just hilarious how they never learn the right lessons from failure despite there being a mountain of failures to learn lessons from.
I'm asking you honestly - do you think the people who didn't like the hire when it was made and liked it even less early in the season just got lucky? Were they basing their opinions on nothing and just happened to be right? Or is it possible they saw things other people missed?
This was just to show that he liked Glenn's hire, defended him throughout, and still does not want to fire him, yet took offense when someone asked why he thought Glenn was a good coach. He then explained his current position. No harm done, but it is certainly not absurd to ask. Also, I never labeled Glenn a bust when he was hired. I didn't like the hire, but wanted to give him a chance. He failed, but a few people, like yourself are still not willing to admit it and give credit to these who saw it after he got off the the worst HC start in team history.
