If one of these picks is high enough to get a similar or better level prospect in 2027, I agree. But what if we win 5-6 games in 2026 and are out of range to get a QB next year? A much better sell would have been to have someone promising already on the roster, like the Giants with Dart, NE with Maye, etc...
Why are you assuming they wouldn't though? We heard reports of Ben Johnson not wanting to come here to be a HC, but not too many others. Sure, they would prefer a spot with a better chance at good QB, but not all of the good candidates will end up with the HC jobs with a good QB in place. We could have gotten a good candidate.
I very seriously doubt that this team is winning 5-6 games next year. If anything, I suspect next year's team is going to be just as bad or potentially even worse than the debacle we witnessed this season. But, for the sake of argument, let's say that they do. I'd still rather have a clean slate at QB for the new HC and GM coming in. Having someone in place, especially someone that would need as much development as Moore, would potentially limit the pool of coaches to those that want to work with Moore and think that he can be a franchise QB. I want that slate to be totally clean and allow the new HC and GM to have free reign to go out and get their QB, not a holdover from a previous staff. It expands the pool of potential coaches willing to come here as well as sets the franchise up with the best possibility for some kind of success by allowing a coach and a QB to come here being entirely on the same page for once.
Harbaugh was attracted to the Giants after Dart showed some promise, and he was arguably #1 HC candidate this cycle. I don't see how a situation where a young QB showed some good flashes is less attractive than the one where you don't have a young QB and a realistic path to getting one. Unless we can somehow make play-offs this year, our best bet is to suck again and hopefully this time more QBs will declare, where we will be in the range for one at the top.
Dart outperformed both Russell Wilson and Jameis Winston in the pre-season and played rather well for a rookie playing on a team that fired its HC midway through the season. That is attractive to a HC coming in. A developmental project that he would be forced to start at some point that hasn't seen the field but will have to be the presumed starter going forward due to the high draft pick used to acquire him would be a much less attractive proposition for any HC that is worthwhile bringing in. Moore, in a perfect world, would sit his entire rookie season. He is nowhere near ready to start for an NFL team, so there wouldn't be any body of work at the NFL level to attract a HC. And if he ended up playing for the Jets this season, barring the unlikely scenario where he won the job outright in camp, he'd be rushed into the job because the season is spiraling and the coaching staff would be looking to sell the fanbase on the hope of a rookie QB. For once, we need to do this in a way that is most conducive for success, which is hiring an offensive minded HC and letting him pick his QB. I have no doubt that we're going to have a top 5 pick in the next draft, but even if we somehow don't complete this now two year tank process, the new GM will have plenty of draft capital to make a move up a couple of spots to get the QB he and the new HC want.
They drafted Dart to be a developmental project though who needed to sit. And he did sit. It could have been similar with Moore, except Moore was viewed as a much better project. A young highly rated promising QB prospect on the roster is better than none with no path at one, I feel this is not a debatable point. We might need to disagree here, but anyway, it didn't happen. What will determine if it will be better next year is whether we can get a QB. Moving up to get a QB is not that simple. It requires very significant assets, likely multiple 1st round picks, and may not be possible at all - see 2024 when the Giants tried to trade up to get Maye and no one even picked up the phone. I do hope there will be a path next year, but the way the Jets karma has been, if there are 3 highly rated QBs in the next draft, we will pick #4, and no one will be treading down.
I do think the Jets will be really bad next year but you have to think that they will throw money at the QB position to get some sort of upgrade - it would be very hard for the offense to be worse next year (unless they let Breece Hall walk) given where they ranked in most of the passing stats - and with an upgrade at QB they could win 5 games
I would also assume that this would be their intent, but who are they even going to have a chance to throw money at? It's a pretty thin list out there: Daniel Jones (would require a long term contract, most likely, and will probably be back with Indy anyway) Russell Wilson Marcus Mariota Zach Wilson Tyrod Taylor (injury prone, would need another starter-level option) Joe Flacco Kenny Pickett Jimmy Garoppolo Mitchell Trubisky Case Keenum Trey Lance Carson Wentz Josh Johnson Malik Willis (is probably looking for a longer-term contract than the Jets will be willing to offer; also probably won't want to take his one shot at a potential starting job with a team that has flailed around at QB for decades and a coaching staff that probably won't be the same coaching staff he'll have in year 2 of the contract he'd sign) Teddy Bridgewater (I'd be totally fine with this, should have held onto him longer when we had him, but you'd have to wonder about his durability since he's been in and out of the league in recent years and hasn't seen any extended playing time in several years) Philip Rivers (not happening, although I'd be more than fine with this, it would at least be fun to watch) And, from there, the list goes into the usual list of guys who normally would be battling for 3rd string jobs around the league.
Who is left in this coaching cycle that you would call a high-quality candidate? And the bar can’t be “well he’s better than Aaron Glenn“ because first off that’s a low bar currently and that’s projection. Let’s pretend Joe Brady and Kliff Kingsbury don’t get head coaching jobs. There’s probably a reason for that. We are going to get the sloppy fifths of the rest of the NFL? And that assumes that either of those guys would actually want the job and not choose to Stick at OC just like Mike McDaniel did taking his name out of the Browns running.
seems like some pretty weak options out there in a crowded carousel that’s for sure. Some of these interviewed names are just appalling
Exactly. Everyone is so in their feelings about Glenn that they aren’t thinking logically about the alternative. There’s the dramatic “well ANYTHING is better than Glenn” narrative but if that were the case we’d have found better coaches than the last 4 guys we fired. Kingsbury is heavily in play for the Baltimore OC job which he’d absolutely take over our HC job and Joe Brady is a walking red flag. Outside of that… who is even an appealing name?
I agree it is not a great list but by default it almost HAS to be better than this year considering how the Jets Qbs played last year plus such is the level of desperation I could see them trading picks to get someone's back-up
I don't disagree. The QB play almost has to be better (although, on a certain level, I'd be kind of morbidly impressed if they could somehow manage to make it worse), but just in terms of the overall offense, when you combine having a new coordinator, a mostly new coaching staff that will most likely be downgrades from what we had last year, mixed in with the level of desperation that will like envelope the entire operation due to the seat being extremely hot before anyone even sets foot through the front door at 1 Jets Drive on the first day of OTAs, I have a hard time seeing a significantly improved product.
Pete Carroll and Geno Smith should both be attainable, if we want to play that game. Since the Jets aren't fielding a middle school-grade OL like the Raiders, they would both be significant upgrades. *Now that I give this a bit of thought, I like the karma. Both of these guys were part of pretty embarrassing bits of Jets history. Giving them both an opportunity at redemption here would be it's own kind of redemption for the franchise. Won't happen, isn't realistic, but wouldn't it be nice if that's what it takes to lift the curse?*
I don’t think some of the names on the list have any interest in playing that much football anymore. Hasn’t Teddy Bridgewater been coaching HS football when he was added as late year emergencies for the Buccaneers and Lions? Case Keenum, Jimmy G, Josh Johnson also fit into the category of guys I think will only go to a situation where they’re the unquestioned backup. That shrinks the field even more.
