Dante Moore will win multiple super bowls with another team not named the Jets. The infrastructure, coaching, patience, ownership, culture all of it matters. With NY Jets the ghosts literally follow you around or the devil Namath signed a pact with
That's why I said probably. If you look back, the best 20 year old at any given time, unless he's already at an NFL level (Trevor Lawrence, Caleb Williams) which Moore is not, usually gets passed by other guys by the time he's 22. That's what happened this year; Mendoza was definitely not the best 20 year old when he was 20, but he passed the guys who were better than him a couple years ago.
I do wish it we draft Moore we let him sit and observe. I think he is open to it too as he did that at Oregon. Its if the Jets franchise and fans, can we be patient with him
If Moore comes out, I think they will. If he does not, probably you are right. But why not though? He just had an excellent college season at young age, displaying numerous NFL level traits. His team overachieved, they were ranked #7 preseason, and will likely end #3, winning two play-off games, going 13-2, both losses to #1 Indiana. This is the best season Oregon has had since 2014 when they finished #2. I think people are overreacting to the last game, which was rough, but wasn't even that bad. With all that said, I don't know if Dante will succeed in the NFL, but I do know for a team that needs a long term QB, picking someone with his skill level and production this year at #2 is just a no brainer. I think Sam is the best example that @Jets79 brought up. Sam also didn't play great in the last Bowl game and the whole season there were some up and downs, but he was a great prospect who needed some development. Do you pass on a guy like Sam because you are afraid we cannot develop him? I don't think so.
I just think about every other NFL QB picked...not all of them are top 2 picks. Insane. Brock Purdy anyone? WE NEED TO DO THIS THE RIGHT WAY. SIT HIM!
I do agree it is a lot more likely, though not guaranteed. One is Rayola angle as you mentioned. He is coming off a very good season, did he have some knowledge about Moore's likelihood of declaring even if he could not be sure? Very possible. The other angle is Dante himself. To have a guy like Rayola, who just had a very good year, behind you when you are likely going #2 in this draft is dangerous. What if you get hurt, and Rayola plays well? You may be completely fucked. Granted Moore himself sat behind Gabriel, but he wasn't coming off a great year in UCLA, and Gabriel didn't have great draft position when Moore transferred, so not sure what options Gabriel had in the draft anyway. Moore I think has great chance to go #2, so, yeah, i do believe he is more likely to declare. And we should still be having a parade if he does.
Moore needs a lot of coaching and time to develop, that was the case before his meltdown last week and it's even more of the case after. I have 0 faith that we're the team to do it and that has nothing to do with faith in the current staff. There's a 50+ year history of it. The talent is there, the measurables are there, but he needs to be handled with white gloves or we're looking at Zach Wilson part 2. I'd be nervous taking him if I was a fan of a good franchise, terrified as a fan of a bad franchise. So I guess it's exciting that we'll have a prospect that might turn out to be ok but I'm done getting excited about potential. Wake me up when something happens.
Not top 2, but pretty much every good starter is a 1st rounder, Hurts was in the second, #53 overall. Purdy is really the only good QB who was picked late. Below is everyone who made play-offs this year. Literally half (50%) are top 3 pick. 71% top 12 pick. It's not insane at all, in fact that maximizes your chances. AFC Playoff Quarterbacks Bo Nix – Denver Broncos: 12th overall pick in the 2024 NFL Draft. Drake Maye – New England Patriots: 3rd overall pick in the 2024 NFL Draft. Trevor Lawrence – Jacksonville Jaguars: 1st overall pick in the 2021 NFL Draft. Aaron Rodgers – Pittsburgh Steelers: 24th overall pick in the 2005 NFL Draft. C.J. Stroud – Houston Texans: 2nd overall pick in the 2023 NFL Draft. Josh Allen – Buffalo Bills: 7th overall pick in the 2018 NFL Draft. Justin Herbert – Los Angeles Chargers: 6th overall pick in the 2020 NFL Draft. NFC Playoff Quarterbacks Sam Darnold – Seattle Seahawks: 3rd overall pick in the 2018 NFL Draft. Caleb Williams – Chicago Bears: 1st overall pick in the 2024 NFL Draft. Jalen Hurts – Philadelphia Eagles: 53rd overall pick in the second round of the 2020 NFL Draft. Bryce Young – Carolina Panthers: 1st overall pick in the 2023 NFL Draft. Matthew Stafford – Los Angeles Rams: 1st overall pick in the 2009 NFL Draft. Brock Purdy – San Francisco 49ers: 262nd overall pick (Mr. Irrelevant) in the seventh round of the 2022 NFL Draft. Jordan Love – Green Bay Packers: 26th overall pick in the 2020 NFL Draft.
the Sam Darnold comparison there is not a good one. Ok, he had an up and down final year. But he started the entire season before and had one of the best bowl games ever from a QB, 450 yards and 5 TD passes in the rose bowl. This was moore's only season as full time starter.
Jets sign Bailey Zappe to a futures contract. Interesting, not really where I thought they would go https://x.com/i/status/2010778051131605134
I see literally 0 correlation between Darnold and Moore. There's not a single thing I could look at from Moore's career and say it mirrors something from Darnold's. Serious question... would Zappe have been the best QB on the Jets roster this season?
That was amazing year for Sam, spectacular Bowl game, I really wanted him on the Jets so bad, he was going to be a clear #1 pick the following season. But his second/last season was similar to Moore's I would say. A good, but up and down year, more TOs, the trajectory was down, and there was talk about staying in school too to avoid the Browns and the Jets. Then Baker wins Heisman and goes #1 and we get lucky and end up with Sam. And then we fucked him. I agree though, while the age, least season etc, were similar, Sam was lesser risk since he did have an extra year. But ultimately I think they had some similar traits, undeniable talent, and he also needed what Dante needs now, which is some more time to develop and when he does play, protection and weapons. Jets can do that if we get a veteran in free agency or trade and perhaps a good QB coach. Maybe right the wrong of the past for once... At least I hope so fully realizing it may be wishful thinking.
You don't find their last season's similar as well as high end traits? Like 0 completely, nothing at all similar? Then why even bother? We are never getting a good QB, so we give up trying? Or just getting some low probability day 2/3 picks, when pretty much everyone making play-offs is top of 1st round? I just think we need to keep trying at least, even if it is likely fail rather than giving up on high probability options.
Dante Moore needs to be drafted at 2 and sit the entire year behind Marc Mariota, another Oregon guy. Just watching the NFL yesterday, this kid is in big trouble if he thinks, ot he jets, he is playing this year.
Not really. Sam looked the part the entire time and he proved it by putting on one of the greatest Bowl performances of all-time whereas the moment was way too big for Moore. It's hard to even make the comparison because we won't get a second season from Moore. But based purely on the eye test... I never ounce doubted Sam had "it". I very much doubt if Moore does. Of course you have to take him if he's there. That's why I'm already talking as if he's a Jet. "It's exciting that we'll have a prospect that might turn out to be ok but I'm done getting excited about potential." I know we're taking him, as we should, but I can't get excited about it when the prospect in question needs a lot of time and development... two things the Jets historically don't provide their QBs.
Probably Cook replacement for PS, no biggie. Yeah that 1st year of Sam was something else. I just thought second year had a lot of similarities plus the age and traits. Either way, we agree then, Dante has to be the pick. As far as getting excited, yeah, it would have been great if Dante kicked ass on Friday, but ... I do feel better we at least have a shot at having a good QB eventually if we draft him. Maybe he could develop with the next regime. With this CS there is really not much else to get excited for the next season.
This is basically where I've evolved to. It's simply not realistic to expect these "savior" types to come in and put this team on their shoulders. Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck, Tom Brady, Drew Brees...these guys do not grow on trees. That's FOUR guys in, what, 20 years who can do this kind of thing. Maybe one or two more sprinkled in but, let's face it, even the great Joe Burrow hasn't been able to lock the VLBT yet either. Let's build a team so good that you can slap an average to just above average guy in and win. Hell, sign me up for a Trent Dilfer if it means hoisting that hardware at the end of the year! "We" don't HAVE to win with a world beating QB, it's just ONE option of so many.
I get the distinct sense that Chambliss wants nothing to do with the top of the draft. That's my own opinion based on what he's currently trying to do right now. Heard this morning, on NFL Sirius, that he's actually going to court and battle the NCAA to SQUEEZE one more year of eligibility out of the college game. Now, either he really loves school, has no confidence in his abilities to translate to the pro level or he's heard the chatter about going super high and wants nothing to do with the teams at the top of this upcoming draft. Food for thought... I guess, maybe family stuff could be a factor too but...hard to say. I just find it hard to believe a kid who's supposedly maxed out his eligibility not wanting to get to the pro's. If he's a thinker, I also think maybe his intentions are to get into 2027 where he might still go first round but mid-lower which ensures he ends up on a presentable team. Just spit ballin' ideas here.
Engstrand is the best I've felt about a guy running the offense that could probably make it work for a young QB. 10th in rushing, huge for a young QB, and the tape shows people open everywhere and missed throws from the QBs. The trick is making sure this QB doesn't miss throws and read the field as poorly as the guy before. The biggest thing is not rushing him into it and I don't think we're a franchise capable of that regardless of staff.
