Or you could do some research for once, scroll back through your last 50 posts and find one stat, one salient argument that gives any examples of anything. Every post is "well I don't feel like looking anything up but...". I've seen multiple posters asking you to tell us one thing you think Glenn has done well and you just ignore it. What I was mentioning the ST for is that you said the roster is terrible and nobody can win with it but Banjo is, just pointing out that good coaching makes a huge difference. I'm not arguing with you though, your a troll. Not as an insult but I went back through all your posts and there isn't a single tangible piece of anything backing up anything you have said just you telling other people to do research then ignoring it.
speaks to your lack of knowledge about football. See the head coach hires his assistants, so if an assistant is doing well, that is an indication that the head coach did a good job there
I've never asked anyone on this board to do research behind their take until today, you being the second person I asked. So I'm questioning you going through all my posts unfortunately. But please provide proof if you have it. I've stated multiple times I liked the direction the team was going before the Miami game and it's been a total disaster since. I also stated, multiple times, before Miami that the team was playing hard and the games were mostly competitive moreso then Saleh. I just didn't answer one person yesterday because it was pointless. I'm willing to give him another year. That's my take and why. Even further, I want to say you and I debated this exact subject, and I gave you the exact same reason at the time. I'll look but it was around week 5 and you already wanted Glenn fired. So again, I'll ask you to answer the questions I asked as you presented a take and I would like to know the facts behind why you felt that way. If that makes me a troll, fine, but I'll always ask someone for their logic. Edit: my bad we had this discussion in week 10, but it was earlier too i didn't look further back enough. https://forums.theganggreen.com/threads/2025-week-10-new-york-jets-vs-cleveland-browns.101084/page-4 What is find interesting is the topic started when I said I wanted to look back at the end of the season the see which team had more one score games (2024 vs 2025). You jumped on this and used data from a full season (2024) to show we regressed despite only playing 10 games of the season. If your number of 1 score games in 2024 is correct, 6, we have 2 more, 8, this year with 1 game to go. Plus, I'm using feel here as i watched most of the games, but Saleh teams were king of garbage points getting scores to bring it to one score or less a hell of a lot. How do we feel about that take looking back?
I think you are asking the wrong questions, at least some of them. For example, I am not in the room with them, so I don't know how he coached him. But what we can do is evaluate the product Fields is producing with Glenn vs before Glenn. That would be a reasonable and fair thing to do. But you need to keep an open mind too, and so will I. Let's reason together on this. You asked to use the stats, and I will oblige with the QBR, which is encompassing of all QB stats, so at least it gives us a rough idea: https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/4362887/justin-fields 2021 (R): 31.4 2022: 56.3 2023 46.9 2024 47.4 2025 38.1 So, as you can see Fields regressed substantially under Glenn from the year before (that's where I mentioned his Pitts performance, but you are right we do not have to bring Rodgers into this). This is his worst QBR since his rookie year. If you are contesting the rookie season, sure, I will concede. But still he is not a rookie any more. He has regressed significantly from the levels he was in Pitts and in Chicago. Shouldn't we be concerned that if we bring another young QB, he could actually get worse too? Again, keep an open mind. I have conceded the rookie year, but can you now concede the overall point that the guy got worse under Glenn, and this is concerning. Then we can continue to reason. As far as the OC, again, wrong question. It's up to Glenn to hire a good OC not for me to prove he could get a better one. Building good staff is an important quality of a HC. Maybe as the next HC we can get Kubiak or someone on the offensive side, who can actually help develop a QB himself. But again we can get into more debate on this once you admit Fields got worse under Glenn and subsequent concern for future young QB development.
1. Ok so you're using qbr, got it. Can I use completion percentage, passing yards, passing TDs, qb rating, interceptions, rushing yards, YPC, or rushing tds? Can I use more than one? None of those stats in 2025 was his career worse statistically. So trying to understand why qbr. More importantly, exactly what does qbr measure anyways? What's the formula? I never use the stat because I find it convoluted personally maybe you can help. Very fair on the Glenn coordinator topic. But typically, there's a relationship between the first time HC and their coordinators... honestly I'm not going back to see how was interviewed and if anyone turned it down. But from my vantage, I know the offensive coordinator role was for a first time HC, 3rd new regime in 5/6 years, no qb, 1 receiver and a near 15 year history of being bottom 10 minus Rodgers and Fitzpatrick with Woody as he owner. We can agree to disagree good future OCs we're interested, and I have no idea what future OCs have a history with Glenn.
Yes, you can go ahead and get the stats that you think are useful that show he has not regressed and let me know where your research leads you whether he regressed or not. Which season aside from rookie year was better than this according to you? I like to look at QBR and EPA/Play https://sumersports.com/players/05d8c4c/justin-fields/ . Both attempt to measure overall QB performance and both suggest this is by far his worst season since the rookie year. While QBR as I suspect you already know is proprietary, from what I have observed at least it gives good general idea. here is how EPA formula though I did find: https://www.nfeloapp.com/analysis/expected-points-added-epa-nfl/. And again both tell the same story, and I also watched Fields every game last year and posted a lot of analysis here when we signed him. So I feel pretty confident he regressed this season as EPA and QBR suggest. Let me know your evaluation on why he did not if you still think that way.
"Stats that you think are useful." I mean, I used 8 traditional stats for rushing and passing.. how many are there total, 10/11? I could have used interceptions also but did not. Just try to understand my POV when you are saying I'm cherry picking a stat, when I used 8, and you chose qbr and some other advanced metric I've personally never heard of (not that that's an indictment). Speaking of qbr, I'd say most advanced metrics are proprietary? But I looked it up after asking the question, they don't even provide the equation they use for qbr. Sure you watch the games and can probably tell why #15 in qbr is 15 compared to #1 in qbr, but no way can you tell me why qbs ranked #1 and #2 qbr are different. I'm not putting my whole take on a metric I can't even quantify other than what the person who made it tells me. Justin fields has always sucked and you're watching every snap this year with vested interest. I really think that's the difference. Isn't it ok to think he peaked and sucked a little less for one year? qbr, the key metric, shows outside of 2023 he was a below average player... and in 2023 he was slightly above average, thats his peak.
I never said you cherry picked. I asked you to provide these stats you think measure a QB accurately, so that we can review, analyze, and tell me which season aside from rookie year was better than this one and why? You haven't done that so far. Which specific numbers indicate this was not a regression from say, last year? Post them and let's review. Just like I gave you two stats I used that measure overall QB performance, and both show he significantly regressed this year. I also gave you full explanation of one of them - EPA/play. I also watched his all 22 from all last and this year. He clearly regressed under Glenn, that's what my conclusion is, supported by the statistics I provided that measure overall performance and by analyzing all 22 as well for last and this season. If you disagree let's look at your analysis. Which season was worse than this one aside from rookie year, and how did you combine your 8 statistics, which ones led you to determine last year wasn't the worst, and which one was? This is important because you feel Fields did not regress, especially after I gave you two metrics and even described one in detail per your request, to me sounds a lot like excuse making for Glenn, which is not rooted in reality. Much like in the other thread (which I am moving here since Brook said he wanted to keep that one for tankathon) you are not willing to acknowledge guys like Sherwood and Quincy regressed either. What metrics can we use for that? How about All Pro and Team MVP who are now playing like shit. According to you thay also always sucked. Yet somehow made All pro and got MVP before Glenn. Again, this sounds like excuses for Glenn not rooted in reality. I don't really think we can get anywhere when you keep dismissing tangible accomplishments, like all pro, MVP, and better overall statistics by basically saying they all suck. Are we supposed to dismiss a guy who had an all pro year with Bob or team MVP by saying they suck anyway and pretend we just had a logical and open minded discussion? Either accept the factual evidence and let's reason objectively or we can stop here.
We can agree to disagree. All good. I gave 8 stats compared to your 2. I presented 9 stats in 2024 that says they weren't the worst of Field's career but 2 were, pass and rushing yards per attempt, may have missed adding it. I showed his best QBR all time was just above average (58ish when average is 50-70), rest below average (under 50) I gave you Quincy, but you need to show me where he was a good player outside of 2 years. I'm giving Saleh kudos for Quincy. But what other than team mvp for Sherwood? He's the same player. Yes Fields had an awful year. Not sure it's the worst, but not far from his best.... But he's just a bad football player. Blaming Glenn or the coaching staff is just low hanging fruit. If you want the crown since you watched the all 22 of Fields congrats. I have not.
The SI article talked about changes on the offensive staff but not replacing Engstrand. "Adding QB infrastructure".... I think that's a good idea. Engstrand showed some things in his playcalling but obviously he is a little green, the QB development side could use some help. Sounds like the QB coach London will lose his job. But maybe that means bringing in a big name or someone with lots of experience at the QB position to help. I know they loved Josh McCown. Maybe they can shake him free from Minnesota with a title promotion? Something like "Assistant HC / Passing Game Coordinator"
We have to compare apples to apples. The stats I presented are inclusive of numerous categories to attempt to evaluate a QB and give it some rating that can then be used a reference for comparison. The conventional stats you brought up are not intended by themselves to measure a QB. The attempt was actually made to bring them together to do that by assigning weight to each one, and this is called passer rating. It includes mostly the stats you brought up. It does not include things like running game or sacks, and this is what QBR is trying to do, which is including these, but the formula is proprietary, so I don't know exactly how much weight they assign. Still it is a widely accepted metric for a reference point, which I found to be somewhat decent. EPA/play, which I think is more reflective of an eye test, does heavy analytics to determine based on historical precedents what every play should yield and how a specific QB compares to that. So, if you tell me passer rating (combining categories you posted by assigning weights to them) didn't change too much, I get it, but if you look at passer rating, QBR, EPA/Play, even PFF, that also attempts to measure QB overall, on aggregate this is clearly the worst season since the rookie year. Then you can also analyze this all 22 from last year I will post below (I could not find one start). If you still then tell me Fields did not regress, let's agree to disagree, as I will not be able to change your mind, and I have seen and analyzed this enough even without stats to know he is way worse this season than last, and the stats I provided support that too. As far as others, I have to show you that Quincy had more than 2 good years and something OTHER than team MVP for Sherwood to conclude Glenn didn't do a good job with them and they were not shit? I don't think so. I think there are a lot of excuses for Glenn, who is a historically bad coach for us by multiple metrics. He clearly has not proven he and his staff can develop a young QB, and I think I have proven as well as one can that the one he had actually regressed. I want him gone. If you want more of the same garbage we have seen, I don't know why you would, but it is on you. We can agree to disagree. Fields 2024 starts all 22 Game 1 By Chase Daniel By JT O'Sullivan Game 2 By Chase Daniel Game 3 By Chase Daniel By JT O'Sullivan By Kurt Warner Game 4 By Tim Jenkins By Chase Daniel Game 5 By Tim Jenkins
