The essence of our franchise is that we wait too long to fire, not that we fire too early. If you disagree, please tell me which of our coaches went on to be great coaches elsewhere after we fired them. It's also bizarre to use the QB argument when the Bears, Jags, and Pats all completely turned their teams around from last year while all having the exact same QBs and upgraded coaches. QBs are important, yes, but using them as the entire reason for why we've been so bad makes no sense.
Other than a very vague statement about not having enough time to get settled into his job, what have you seen that gives you hope that he can turn things around?
Man, I'm sorry but your argument is completely incoherent. The Pats, Jags, and Bears all completely turned their teams around with roughly the same players because they all upgraded their coaches. It's like you're not even reading what people are saying because we've all made this same point like 3 different times now.
Not to mention the roster they built is bad, the DC they hired was bad, the QB they wanted and praised was bad, every major decision was bad. People who say we won't win next year have the defeatist attitude Woody dreams his fans will have, teams can be competitive one year after sucking, happens every year. Big ships sink, fuck turning around, this league is built on speed boats and this organization is trying to turn an aircraft carrier in a fish bowl.
No interceptions and the defense being massively disorganized specifically in the secondary is a terrible look for Glenn. A former defensive back and defensive coordinator. It’s not like the team or defense specifically was that much better with Q and Sauce. They were equally as lifeless.
I'm incoherent but your tactic is to find a head with a magic wand. OK guy. Those 3 teams were not at the talent level of this jets roster. It's just not true and there's no conversion if that's your opinion. That's a laughable statement.
I didn't need to see world beaters this year. I absolutely get your QB argument. Unfortunately, I also saw a TREMENDOUS regression! Under a new regime and under NORMAL circumstances, you have guys flying around, making plays. While I didn't expect the Jets to win more then 4 or 5 games I expected them to be IN most games. They have not been on the fucking field in MOST of these games. At least, not the PROFESSIONAL football team of the NY Jets. I don't know what bullshit Glenn is trotting out there but THAT is NOT a professional football team. The entire month of December looked like a fucking DII college team. THAT is on Glenn. 1st, 2nd, middle and last. EoS. I'm sick of people making up bullshit excuses for a god damn professional football team looking like they do not belong in the entire league! I wouldn't give points to the Jets playing a damn CFL or XFL football team right now. That's a fact.
Which players did the Bears/Jags/Pats add that made them so much better than they were last year? Ever notice you don't actually make any points, just tell other people their points are bad? My tactic is to fire a bad coach and find a better one. Your tactic is to blindly hope a bad coach becomes a good one. I'd ask you for the 3rd time what you've seen in Glenn that makes you think he'll dramatically improve next year but all the Glenn defenders seem hellbent on avoiding that question for some reason.
Don't forget to add, especially in the Bears case, they had the top damn pick in the draft QB'ing that team last year and he looked HORRIBLE. ONE year later, with a stellar coaching change, and now...I'd wager the Bears will be good for the next decade and a half, at a minimum. COACHING CHANGE!!!! Not QB change, not wholesale roster change but COACHING CHANGE! I can't believe some don't get it and worse, they can't SEE it.
Sorry you want me to give you a roster breakdown of 3 different teams to prove a point lol. I don't time for that and could not care less if you think that further proves your point. The jets roster is no where near the level of those 3 teams, they are equal to maybe the raiders. Jets are 3-13, there's a ton of bad you will just point to, blame Glenn and use dumb tropes like it all falls on the HC like the players have no impact what so ever. I was happy with the direction until the last month. But I don't fire a guy because of one bad month with the idea a magic wand is coming my way.
I can't anymore...you say potato and I'll say potahto and we can agree to disagree. I'd say I'd come back here and ask you how you feel about Glenn this time next year but I suspect I won't be here to waste yours and my time. Wonder what crazy rationalization y'all will come up with next. I know, Martians made the hot tubs cold and the cold tubs hot which impacted the healing of the players which resulted in another 2 & 15 season..
Well that's dark, I hope you're ok. Next year 100 percent is can be convinced. Not because of one trash month and a legion of users with GDS who wanted him fired before October. The jets were destined for a top 5 pick before the preseason unless the lottery ticket Justin Fields panned out, lots of people forget about that.
I do all the time im just not doing it for you right now, deal with it. What, if someone says Brady Cook is a #2 qb i need to pull out the all 22? Get lost. Anyone who reads your post comparing the patriots roster to the Jets will 100% laugh out loud unless they are apart of the GDS circle jerk.
Actually, some of us were pissed off the day the hire was announced because we fucking KNEW it would end this way. Why did we know that? Because we done this “hire a rookie DC” thing for six times in a row outside of the one offensive hire who was a complete bust in Gase. Because even in doing this, on a team that has been lacking in offense for SO long, we didn’t even go get a good fucking DC…we got a guy who’s defenses mostly finished in the bottom third of the rankings except for one year. Because Woody is SUCH an imbecile that he thinks stupid things, like just because AG was in Detroit when they turned it around, Woody thought ok good, that is a great candidate, and the fact that he was a great Jets player, man, I can sell this to the media and the fans…but he wasn’t nearly clever enough to realize that AG clearly was not a huge part of that turnaround…that was mostly Ben Johnson and Campbell. I called this shit before day 1 because it was so bloody obvious to anyone who would look at it. I see no nuance here. I see no valid defense of Glenn here. We are talking about a great Jets player who I loved to watch play, but we are also talking about one of the WORST seasons in our history here, on par with Kotite and Gase, if not worse, and we are setting NFL records for futility. That’s not good. No good coach has ever been this bad. There is no bouncing back here for Glenn. He lost the team weeks ago. That is hard to regain. This staff needs to be fucking nuked outside of the ST guy…he’s the only one I would keep. So no, I see no reason to defend Glenn, I see no nuance, I see no “he deserves a chance with better players”…none of it. He made his bed. His idea of “better players” was to get rid of Rodgers and replace him with Fields. His idea of good coaching was to hire Wilks. Finally at least he had the sense to get rid of Wilks and bench Fields, but the fact that those were his handpicked guys is a fucking red flag. I want no part of wasting ANOTHER fucking year with this guy, because that is exactly what it will be if Woody doesn’t fire him. I have no idea how blind Woody can be…he has an example right in his own division…the Pats hired a great former player, he sucked, they fired him and hired an experienced successful coach and just won the fucking division. How can Woody not see this? I would look for a bunch of options, starting with McCarthy, trying to Kingsbury to come, looking at coordinators like Kubrick…that’s three calls Woody should be making NOW.
Sorry…I couldn’t disagree any more. Glenn doesn’t “deserve” anything. Why does he deserve it? He’s shown us already he is an all-time bad level HC. Why do you want to waste another year to prove it? He lost with bad players? OK fine, but the biggest culprit there is Fields, who was his fucking handpicked guy, so no, you don’t get to say “oh man our QB play sucked”. Sorry. Look at the defense…this former DC, who rarely fielded top defenses anyway in his five years as DC, has put out there one of the worst defenses we’ve seen here, and is setting NFL records for futility, not just Jets records. He took a lot of the same players Saleh had and they all look worse than they did in Saleh’s system. That’s on him too. Nobody in this league “deserves” anything…they have to actually, you know, earn it. He has failed in that. Spectacularly. Now, if we had been watching a well coached team who excelled in the basics, who were generally in position, who made tackles when they were there to make, who didn’t put out bad penalties at the bottom third of the league level, who played hard and lost some close games, who may have snuck a win or two that no one thought they could do, if we’d seen ANY of that shit, then I’d say ok, maybe he does need time because I can actually see some progress. We’ve seen none of that shit. So fuck to the hell no, he DOESN’T deserve it. If I had to say what he deserves as a result of this season as a whole, I’d say he deserves to be fired. I don’t understand honestly how anyone can seriously watch the shit we’ve seen on the field and say something like, “well, yeah, it’s bad, but I think he can turn it around”. That is based on nothing but hope. There is ZERO evidence that he can turn this around. And I for one just don’t want to waste yet another fucking season and some high draft picks on this guy. I just don’t.
Bad times with first time head coaches often hang around in games early and get blown out in the fourth quarter. When they know their rosters are overmatched, they play conservatively. Two high safeties to prevent explosive plays, a lot of early down runs to setup 3rd and manageable, etc. That’s not because they lack aggression in their game plan or game management. It’s because that’s simply the best chance they have to potentially win games with the rosters they’re working with. Putting their players in the best position to win football games. We’re getting fucking smoked in the first 8 minutes with terrible game plans and no chance to win games. He is not putting players in position to win.
I'm just going to keep repeating myself over and over again. Do not fire Glenn to start a coaching search from scratch only to find out the top candidates don't want to come here. Only fire him if you have a wink wink plan with Tomlin, Harbaugh, even Mccarthy at this point. Ala the Patriots with Mayo and Vrabel.
Sorry dude you make no sense. You have still not provided ANY tangible reason why Glenn deserves another year. People have shown cases where the QBs were the same and the team improved a ton with new coaching. They showed fast turnarounds, not 5 year rebuilds. Yes it’s true we don’t have a legit QB. Part of that is 100% on Glenn…he had one and let him go and brought in one of the worst QBs and proceeded to coach him to even his worst season ever. No pass on that from me. It’s clear he sucks. To almost everyone. Except maybe to you and Woody. I just can’t fucking stand the argument about continuity, like it’s the cause and winning is the effect. Bullshit. Good coaching leads to winning which leads to continuity. Continuity is the effect of quality/talent, not the cause of it. Plenty of examples of one and done coaches it’s not like we’d be the first. The Pats did it and won the fucking division, and yeah, they had Drake Maye last year too, but Mayo was not a good coach and Vrabel is. How is this not fucking obvious to anyone with eyes?
The "he needs time to settle in and establish his culture" people never explain why it only took Coen, Johnson, and Vrabel one year to settle in and establish their culture. Could it be because they're good coaches?! This is a hilariously close cousin of another Jet fan excuse - "The offensive line needs time to gel!!!!!!" lmfao
