I’m not a huge Gruden-coach guy but this mess might need a Gruden type of personality. Love him as a commentator though. And he wants to shove it up the NFL’s ass. What better way than making the Jets successful. The team the old head league officials have hated since 1969.
Which just makes my point, don't fire Glenn to do another search when majority of coaches don't want to come here. Only fire him if you have a true upgrade proven coach locked in. Since that's unlikely run it back with Glenn
I am still pissed that Woody never picked up the phone and talked to Ben Johnson. Instead of creativity we get shit on a shingle. Merry fking Christmas.
"Just don't let go of the rope because there is a plan, there is a vision. From Day 1, we've been trying to set the foundation of what we want this team to be..." Just a thought, if you have to continually say that there is a vision and that there is a plan, that probably means that there really isn't a vision or a plan.
Exactly. You never hear great coaches talking about plans or hanging on. They talk about winning every week. Period.
Spot on. Talking about effort levels is another one of these things. If a coach is preaching about how the team plays hard, it's because the team sucks and he's incapable of out-scheming other coaches.
A coach going on and on about how hard the team plays is also ridiculous because he's literally praising them for doing the absolute bare minimum that their job entails. It's like saying, hey, I'm awesome because I inspire my employees to give the bare minimum of acceptable effort at their job.
I completely disagree. Who are the highly sought after players the Jets signed in the last 20 years? We sign old washed up QBs and O linemen. Just because the media hypes up guys like Saleh and Bowles doesn’t mean they were highly sought after. Sorry but not many players want to play for a loser and joke of a franchise unless they are getting overpaid above market value. NY/NJ is
Cmon that’s not fair though. Bowles and Saleh were hot ticket names in the head coaching market when we hired them. Both landed coordinator jobs instantly and Saleh will be a head coach again maybe even next year. Gase wasn’t and neither was Glenn. They were bottom tier hires that had no other prospects. As far as signing players, that’s generally how free agency works. Everyone signs players above market value because players are out to get as much as they can and the FA pool is generally light as franchises retain big time players.
Saleh and Bowles were interviewed by numerous teams. Both had excellent records as defensive coordinators; there is absolutely no indication that they were regarded as rejects by the rest of the teams searching for coaches. I know people will say "But what about Ben Johnson?" Did he say "I'll never coach the Jets?" Or did he simply have his eye on the Bears job and didn't want to coach anywhere else? "But what about Mike Vrabel?" You mean the guy who was going to get a chance to coach the team he won three Super Bowls with as a player? It doesn't sound like that was a personal rejection of the Jets. The fact is, there is no evidence that the Jets are having trouble finding coaches. As to highly sought after players? In the last 20 years, they signed: Thomas Jones, Braylon Edwards, Santonio Holmes, Kris Jenkins, Antonio Cromartie, Ladanian Tomlinson, CJ Mosley, Leveon Bell, Eric Decker, Brandon Marshall, Alan Fanaca, Damien Woody. A lot of good players have come here. Some have succeeded, and some have failed. But the idea that nobody of worth wants to come to the Jets is based on nothing but fan grumbling.
There is absolutely a Jets tax, anyone will sign for the right amount of money. Not to mention a lot of those players signed when we were decent or had hope, this is one of if not the darkest time in Jets history.
This conversation is kind of moot because the clear issue isn't that nobody wants to come here, it's that we have an owner who knows less than nothing about football and is incapable of hiring the right coach.
I don't know...there are guaranteed to be major heartburn episodes, ulcers and "you've got to be shitting me" moments. Older super accomplished guys, I would think, would probably think twice. The Jets will triple their age, for certain. And that's BEFORE you get to adding the Media and Fans on top of it. LOL!
Which is why nobody wants to come here... I don't think it's because they don't like New York, or the color green.
MOST of those players you cited were on the downside of their careers and that's a fact. Not one of those players was ascending. As far as Saleh and Bowles are concerned, both were passed over by a number of teams. As I remember, neither one were "on the fence" about joining the Jets because they were weighing offers from other teams. They took the job because it was that or go back to their former spot. Let's make sure we are putting out the correct context... You "might" be correct about Saleh however he would literally have to change his personality by a full 100% for him to be a successful Head Coach. Pete Carroll was/is the Rah Rah kind but he learned how to put his foot in some asses, I guess time will tell about Saleh. I think Bowles is done after Tampa. You can only win so many division titles by going 9-8 before someone finally catches you and it looks like Carolina was that team. Atlanta, with a better QB, will be there too soon and then what. We shall see.
Again, dumb owner is BETTER for the candidates. They get more time and the opportunity than they would otherwise. It is not good for the fans and the team, but it is GREAT for these candidates, because they can easily fool dumb Woody. As @REVISion correctly pointed out, not wanting to come here is not the main issue. It is not an issue at all actually, aside from not having the QB, which we do have to rectify at some point. But the owner hiring bad people is the main issue.
Cool. So we should be stoked about the possibility of a great HC seeking out the Jets job specifically so they can manipulate Woody, the only downside being that everyone in the front office is a Woody quality hire....or somebody else who took the job so they could easily fool Woody all the time. Now I get it.
How many “great” head coaches have their pick of the litter? Yeah the Jets weren’t landing Jim Harbaugh and Ben Johnson picked one specific location and didn’t want to go anywhere else. Mike Macdonald might be the best hire of the last 5-6 hiring cycles. Do you think he wouldn’t have went with the Jets (because they’re the Jets) if they pursued him? Did Kevin O’Connell have his pick of the litter when he became a head coach? Liam Coen? I don’t remember any of the three of these guys being heralded as the next great head coach. We’re just not even considering interviewing these guys which is why we’re not landing them. Yeah, we aren’t getting Harbaugh although it’s not like those guys come around all that often and there are probably 20 teams on their blacklist. Harbaugh rebuffed NFL offers for almost 5 years when he was struggling to get over the hump at Michigan. I think the Ben Johnson thing this offseason has made this fan base crazy about not being a desirable destination so we’ll never get a good head coach. He was probably clearly waiting for the Bears job to open up for multiple years.
I think even Ben Johnson and Harbaugh would consider coming here if we had Herbert or Caleb. In general having a good young QB makes things more attractive for the coaches because they are more likely to succeed. But most situations do not have great QBs, and we are not any worse these any of these.
