I'd be willing to bet, within the next 5 years, you'll see this happen. I also bet, within the next 5 years, once it does, it'll happen...often. Times have changed. In fact, the more the $ grows in college, you'll also have these kids staying in school their full run of eligibility. Only the uber talented "generational" types will leave eligibility on the table, maybe. Mark my words...it's coming. These kids have nothing to lose, now, by staying in school and everything to gain by lining themselves up to be drafted by the best possible scenarios. Not only does this apply to QB's but to WR's, DB's and DL. The skill positions that get paid the most scratch in college will be impacted for sure. The fallout will be the worst drafting teams, especially at the QB position, as you pointed out Cleveland, LV and NY, will be constantly doing the "reach." Just an opinion... Hey, I've been wrong before and I'll be wrong again but this, strangely, feels like it could have some legs. $$ changes everything and now these kids are putting generational $$ in their pockets without the NFL.
I don’t doubt that players will stay in college to reap the NIL benefits more and more. They definitely will. What I don’t believe will happen is that guys do that because they don’t want to be drafted by X, Y or Z franchise if they’re a top 5 pick. Especially the Jets in general. Not a good situation in the league for sure, but there are worse out there.
nah. If you are looking ahead like you are, its going to be the opposite of what you describe, I think. Soon they won't lose their eligibility at all by declaring, being drafted, or even playing in the NFL. College football wants to be the TEMU-version of the NFL. These guys will have a big year, try to take advantage of that quickly and enter the draft ASAP. When/if they bust, they can always go back to State University and make a mill as a fall back option. We are in the last dying years of when eligibility matters for college sports. The future is going to be a lot like the European soccer model, I would not even be surprised to see the day when the Jets "loan" a player to Iowa State or something
If there's a crap team in Cleveland and a crap team in New York why would anyone choose to go to Cleveland? I guess you've never been there.
I don't think they care that much. I'd play in Zimbabwe if they paid me $10 million per year to do it.
I think you missed a few points yourself. It's highly unlikely that NIL money will exceed NFL money. It's also highly unlikely the situation for the guy would be measurably better the following year. Sooner or later NCAA eligibility will disappear. Kicking the can down the road is not a viable solution.
Fair, although Lawrence and Maye, and to some extent Williams, had to endure the first set of. Bad CS to really shine.
At this point, I've got nothing left. You all can continue to speculate and figure it out then. Drag the same bullshit explanations through the mud with zero change in result. All I'm doing is taking into consideration variables that haven't been considered before. But, clearly, you all have it all figured out.
That may be a smart move, but he was a 1st round pick who showed some promise. Hopefully that's enough for them to take another look in 2026 and I hope they trade the pick to us instead.
The only thing I figured out is that the Jets are a bottom tier organization where all previous winners that go there quickly loose their winning ways. Very sad indeed. It is also true IMO that the Jets are by no means top choices or even desirable destinations for neither leadership nor player personnel. The pain is real.
That draft was a complete bust. Everybody failed that day. But it doesn't matter. You have to play at that table to draft QBs high. It's literally the single highest correlation to playoff success. Also hard to say. He sucked here. How much of that was the coach? Hard to know. And Sam had to go through a couple other teams until he came good. Like Geno. And with our coaching staff, it is unlikely that he would have improved. But I still remain convinced of the only reliable way to success. Get the right coach and keep drafting QBs with top 10 picks.
Those QBs didn't transcend anything. They got good when their coaches got good. Every single time. Now, the raw material was there, so then when the good coach arrived they won immediately. So I agree - draft away and draft high. Pick the right guy.
We are exactly on the same page, I will stick with my wording though because Maye/Caleb/Trevor they did look decent even with bad regimes, but when the good one came, they really shined. The point is, we need to get a QB and hope this regime does not ruin him, so that he can thrive with the next one. Now, Sam was one example where we did ruin him, and it took a while to rise up. But I do think with the protection we have and some weapons, it should be more like Trevor Lawrence/Maye/Caleb situation as opposed to Sam, particularly if Glenn will be gone within a year. The key will be who will replace him. And of course the #1 goal: can we get a QB? These meaningless special teams wins we had are really fucking us hard right now. We can win 3 games and have the worst rating from point differential in team history and still pick 4th with the Raiders and Browns as #1 and #2 with no path at the QB. In fact I think it is the most likely scenario. In a way this reminds me of Gase - when we were awful team with awful coaching, but managed to stupidly screw up the tank and lose Trevor Lawrence, who turned out to be a decent QB, even if not as great as projected, and the best FQB we would have had since Namath.
The thing is, we didn't really have too many winners here. Woody didn't really pick the right people. I mean was Glenn a winner as a coach? Yes, Detroit won, but again with the offense. Maybe technically you could say Glenn was a winner, but objectively when the offense wins games and you are a defensive coach, who had 1 good year and 3 shitty ones on your side of the ball, is that a winner? His defenses were ranked 31, 28, 23, 7. And even in that last year when he did have good defense, he imploded in the play-offs, giving up 45 to Commie. So, I would argue no, he was not a winner. Same with Bob, though he was a little better, but still his defenses in SF were ranked in points: 25, 28, 8, 17. Again one good year, one average, two bad ones. Yes, they went to SB, which was better, and you could see he did better here, but still, aside from one year most of the winning was on Shanahan, who called plays on offense. We could go on and on, Woody just hires wrong people, that's why we are bottom tier. And the reason is precisely that: we are not hiring winners, we are hiring people who were on winning teams, but not the key drivers of these wins. It's like would you get Mecole Hardman from the Chiefs to be a top WR since he is a SB winner? Yes, he won, and he played some role, but he wasn't one of the key reasons why they won SB. He can't make someone else a winner in a key role. He is a supporting cast, and not even a very good one. And in case of Gase, we hired him after his offense was shit in Miami for 3 years, he wasn't even a winner at all, at least not recent one. He won 4 years before with Peyton and then lost for 3 years without him, where it was clear he wasn't the one when we hired him. The bottom line is, we need to hire people who actually are major factors of success on other teams, that will increase probability. Like TB Bucks were top 3 in offense with Liam Coen calling plays in spite of having a solid but not amazing QB. That's a type of winner we want to get, to see if he can do it here. But to get a defensive guy from the team that won with offense is not a winner. That's stupid, and as long as we do stupid things like that, we will remain bottom tier organization.
I’ve been pounding this drum for ages now…Woody is a shitty owner and you can trace it down to ONE thing. He does not know people. That’s it. He has never built a business. He has never run a huge successful business (or even a small one I’d bet). People who do, and who are good at it, HAVE to know how to assess talent, how to identify talent, how to “put the right butts in the right seats” kind of thing, how to nurture and develop that talent, and finally how to retain and motivate that talent. He can’t do any of it. It’s clear to anyone who works in business. We’ve all seen people like that…undeserving of their position and clueless about most of it. It’s clear how he’s floundered in his GM hiring practices…the only one who’s worked out is the guy Parcells handed him…Tannenbaum. After that he tried Korn Ferry (like WTF!!! They are a business executive recruiting firm…not a football knowledge firm), he tried former GMs (in theory a good idea) but then he went to two guys what, in their fucking 80’s?? Casserly hadn’t done jack shit since the fucking Redskins teams of the 1980s. He tried the 33rd team, who given the candidates they vetted, I’m sure he said get me someone cheap that I can dictate to. Just clueless all along the way. The mind-boggling thing to me is that anybody with any fucking brain in their head should be able to spot a pattern. He’s tried rookie DC’s like 6 times in a row and none have worked. Shit, I can see trying it twice in a row, the third time would give me some trepidation, but holy fuck man, after so many times, you would think even an imbecile like Woody could spot a trend so blatant. QBs are important and the most critical piece. Rookie DC’s are probably not in the best position to identify and develop such QBs…not because they don’t know football or aren’t good coaches, but simply for the fact that the bulk of their coaching experience has been devoted to the other side of the ball. They haven’t lived breathed and eaten offense or QB. Not fucking rocket science. Maybe try an OC at some point? And no, Gase doesn’t count…anybody with a brain could look at his career and see pretty clearly that it was Manning who made Gase, not the other way around. Gase sucked without Manning, but Manning was Manning with or without Gase. But sure, Woody made the same mistake AGAIN with Hackett. Hackett had very little to do with Rodgers’ career success…sure AR must like the guy, but AR was AR both before and after Hackett, whereas Hackett failed miserably without Rodgers…he was clearly SO bad that Sean Payton couldn’t resist pointing it out when he got to Denver. And these are the people that Woody hires. That’s basically it. He doesn’t know people. He doesn’t know football also, but that would be OK if he knew people…just get the right people in place and then create an environment that nurtures, motivates, and rewards them. He can’t do it. He’s not that guy. That is why the only chance of success we’ll have is the blind squirrel argument…we have to HOPE that SOMEHOW, he lucks into a good GM or HC that can take it from there, and THEN we have to HOPE that he actually lets them run the show and doesn’t interfere. But the sad part is that HOPE is not a strategy. It doesn’t work in business and it doesn’t work in football. So yeah, basically, we’re screwed
I think your point holds merit for players projected later in the rounds, but once a player (especially a QB) is considered a 1st round talent they are coming to the NFL. The one thing you are not factoring is NIL is a year to year contract. There’s no stability nor guarantee. Players have held out of far larger franchise tag 1 year contracts for the security of a long term deal. No one is leaning on an NIL deal just to avoid being drafted by bad teams. What I do believe will happen, and is a good thing for the NFL, is the players that need it will be more inclined to stay in college to develop longer. There will likely be less late round QB’s available in the draft because those guys have incentive to stay, get paid, and develop their skills to move up in the draft the following year.
I can add nothing further. HOPE is definitely NOT a strategy and anyone who has been out in the working world for more than 5 minutes knows EXACTLY what you are talking about and WHO that type of person is. We've ALL worked with someone, usually laced with nepotism, who didn't belong, deserve or earn the management position they are sitting in. The end result is almost ALWAYS a disaster. Doesn't matter if you work in high tech or dig ditches along the freeway. It's industry agnostic yet as damaging to whatever business you are in. The Jets are in the football business and there is a complete and utter unqualified imbecile who owns the show. He, like all those like him, think money = intelligence, business sense, insert whatever here. He was born useless, lived his life useless and now he's rendered the NY Jets useless. Either man up, find another team or get used to the never ending round robin of bullshit. Aaron Glenn's only real mistake was overestimating his own football acumen far too early in his coaching life.
Can't agree more, you summed it up perfectly. I've started 2 businesses and have worked for myself since I was 22 (I'm 48), hired and fired countless people and this is why I've been screaming from the roof tops. This was a bad hire, arguably the worst one in our franchise history which says a lot in both directions. I knew day one but was 100% positive after a couple of weeks, Glenn has absolutely no idea what he is doing, he's a sub par salesman but it doesn't take a genius to sell Woody, that bastard would fall for every scam imaginable if that rich POS ever had to answer his own phone.
