It's not apples and oranges. The difference between us and other teams ARE the people we hire. Jax and Chicago were not exactly known for their great recent successes either. We are like any other team. If good people are in charge, good things will happen. If not, they won't. Unfortunately the real difference is that Woody only hires bad people. But IF we are to hire a good person, they will do well, just like in Jax, just like in Chicago, regardless of their experience. They don't have to be experienced head coaches. There is just as much risk with these, because if they are available, that means they failed elsewhere. Now, if you take a 1st time DC from the team that wins with their offense, that risk is insanely high. Further, if that person gets to the the worst start in franchise history and his defense also stinks, the risk is through the roof. But if you pick up a successful OC, the risk is not any higher than a retread HC. Especially dinosaurs with defensive background, like Carroll and Rex.
Your entire diatribe only reinforces what all of us say and know; as long as Woody Johnson is in charge we are doomed to remain a steaming pile. This asshole is incapable of identifying quality leaders because he himself is not a quality leader. It, literally, is as simple as that.
"Not a quality leader" is an understatement of the year. The guy is a senile imbecile incapable of learning. You can't teach old demented dumb ass dog new tricks. I just keep hoping maybe Brick will get involved and will do something unexpected but not necessarily wrong, kinda like when he handed the game ball to GW
Well, the 49’ers could be an example. It wasn’t until York Jr. took over did they get back to decent football after the whole Carmen Policy fiasco. We can all HOPE!!!
It’s negative because the collective wisdom on this board is better than Woody. We mostly ALL knew this was not a good hire. We’ve all seen this movie before and we know how it ends. Literally seen this 6 times already…
Not for nothing. I hate to see old threads to be revived unnecessarily. We don't charge money for starting new threads. You are free to start a new thread and reference an old thread you know.
No other team is in the same position as the Jets in terms of failing on so many risky head coaches repeatedly and having as long of a playoff drought due to it. It is not the same.
It is exactly the same. In other words most likely it would be much better to have Coen than Carroll for us, Jags, the Raiders, etc... Past failures do not change the probability. Past dumbassery by Woody does not change future probabilities of success of retread vs new HC. Think of it as throwing the coin. The previous flips does not change the future probability. Of course in Woody's case it's not exactly a coin flip (we wish it were), but when it comes to future probabilities, past does not impact it one bit. EDIT: To clarify, Woody is almost certainly going to pick another failure next time, what I was referring to is that probability of success of retread vs 1st time HC is not impacted for us given the past choices we made.
I think he has his eye on the Temple Owls waterboy as the next HC. His thought process is, "I have money which means I'm always right."
Absolutely not. The Jets are a business and the team is the product. If you run a business and for 15 years the product has failed due to taking high risk (higher risk head coaches with no experience) you do not continue to take risk, you reduce risk and take the safe option. The other teams are not comparable because they have not failed as a product for 15 straight years. They as a business have more room to take risk because their product has not been bad for 15 years. You cannot compare the two. This isnt gambling, its a business with a product. Its not just a coin flip. Respectfully agree to disagree.
You are right about the Jets being a business with a product. That product is entertainment and the business plan has not failed at all but has been quite successful with hundreds of millions of dollars in profit annually and year after year increases in the net worth of the organization. You might try a different analogy.
The franchises may be individual but they are part of the NFL which has been acting like a single business for a long time. Revenue sharing always defeats the stupid ass argument you are making. If anyone in power in the NFL cared about the basement dwellers, something would have happened about it long ago. The Jets as a single franchise just keep getting more valuable. This is a fact.
They do care about the basement dwellers, just not in the way that we, as fans of one of the basement dwellings teams, would want them to. The presence of the Jets, Browns, Giants, Commanders, Cardinals, and so on make it much more likely that the other teams will make the playoffs and have a chance. Raising up the bad teams hurts the chances for success of the mediocre to great teams.
Or to say it another way, it is easier to control the outcome when there is a smaller number of competitive teams.
I would think that successful teams in larger markets have higher earning potential, so from a business perspective they should want them in contention every season. But, the Jets seem to somehow make enough money/increase in value enough that winning is optional. It’s just terrible ownership in every respect with this team. If they were regular playoff contenders they’d be one of the top 3-5 most valuable teams in the league easily. Fuck Woody Johnson, and fuck Leon Hess, too. Old bastard was a loser as an owner and sold to an even bigger loser before he croaked.
I agree with that and stated that. We were just discussing in terms of optimizing the business; it wouldnt make sense to keep flipping a coin on an unproven coach when it has failed for 10+ years. Other terms are not in the drought. The Jets would be move valuable if the product was better but totally agree due to inflation/NFL shield the value will go up so you can run it poorly and still have the value go up.
Agreed. I truly don't think the NFL cares about the basement teams. Because the basement teams allow your teams like the Eagles, Chiefs, Bills, 49ers, etc to remain in the spotlight. The NFL unlike the MLB or NBA doesn't need certain markets to do good to succeed more. No matter who is winning in the NFL there is always attention and a story. But in the NBA or MLB if you have small market teams in the late playoffs absolutely no one cares.
