you can put a grade in terms of whether it seems like the team got value - what if they had traded away Q for a 6th rounder and that 6th rounder turned out by total fluke to be the next Tom Brady - you wouldn't say "well with the benefit of hindsight this was actually a genius trade as we swapped him for a franchise QB"
I think they got good value for both players when you take into account how high their salaries are. the trade for Sauce was the better of the two - with Q as the first rounder is 2027 in draft point terms you normally downgrade the value by a round so effectively he went for 2 second rounders.
Ill be optimistic and hopeful but I cant grade these yet. All i can say was when I saw the return, I was not upset
They probably could have traded Parsons to the Jets for Quinnen and a second round pick and they would have made out better.
I don't think the Jets wanted to pay Parsons as much as he got paid. I didn't look at the details, but 47 mil a year aav? A team that is not a well established high performing team with a FQB cannot afford to pay anyone that much. We got a much better deal.
C- While I understand making moves to acquire draft capital, Sauce was the wrong guy to trade and they basically got a couple late first round picks for an all pro who was drafted at #4 overall. Poor value and it's extremely unlikely the 2 players they draft with those picks will come anywhere close to what Sauce was as a player. He was a home grown Jet who just got a contact extension in the off season. It was a slap in the face to not only him, but to the fans. The Quinnen trade was better, but now they just have more holes to fill.
See, I'm with you on this. All anyone wants to talk about is tackles and interceptions. Well, neither matters when no one throws your way. I also get it his production was down a tad but the whole damn defense was down. His was the one spot you didn't have to focus on. Now we do. They simply don't "print" these guys and, as we ALL know, you NEVER know what you are going to get in the draft. To be frank, it's a bigger crapshoot than Vegas or the Lottery. As well, CB is one of those positions a good player can play for 10 or 15 years. They simply don't take the beating. Not the same as say a RB or LB'er. Ce la vie...it's done. You know, the whole spilt milk thing... Moving on...
I've been calling for us to do this for sometime so I approve. My only beef is we should not have traded Q. You don't part with premium DTs in this league, you double down on them. SInce we did we should have gotten at least 2 firsts for him. That drops my grade to a B.
I too was not thrilled…I feel like a broken record…how many times have I typed out the following kinds of things - you will never get better by trading away your good players … you get better by ACCUMULATING good players - we do such an overall shitty job of drafting players … and it’s worse that with the very few great players we DO draft, we always rationalize trading them away…we did it with Keyshawn, Abraham, we let Revis go, etc. and I love the excuses and rationalizations…well shit Gardner can’t tackle…yeah ok granted but he is a shutdown corner in a passing league…he won’t win every battle but he’ll limit his guy more often than not. With Revis (who was a much better corner for sure), the excuse was he was greedy…we shit yeah, what a shocker that a great player would want to be paid! With Abraham it was too many injuries…ok well he seemed to play for a lot of years and get a lot of sacks for the Falcons… All we are doing is trading proven players for future chances to draft players that we hope will be as good as these guys, but odds are they won’t be because very few drafted players become All Pro’s. So yeah, I get the reasons, and in fairness, the return was very good which is why I can’t get TOO pissed about all this, but the cycle just never ends…we are constantly tearing down because we never hire the right HC and we never find the QB
Outside of doubling down that this organization, historically, is simply HORRIBLE on Draft day(s), you have nailed it. I will add to those that like to throw the whole "you can't go on history for the future" business, yes we can. As I've stated many times, the HC has change and the GM has changed. I've heard nothing about anywhere else in the organization changing. Scouts, other front office seats...none of it. The teams entire MODUS OPERANDI needs to change and that starts at the top with Foolio Johnson. It's too late to hire an offensive minded head coach and no experienced OC would touch this steaming pile. So, they've accumulated a King's ransom in picks only to bequeath those picks to people whom I feel are unqualified to utilize those resources in the most judicious manner. Mougey may turn out to be a decent GM but he doesn't coach the players. That is where I stand until something changes or I see a different product on the field.
I would also like to add that yes, while the HC has changed, in the larger view he really hasn’t. This is what, the 6th rookie DC we’ve hired in a row - excluding the fucking obvious mistake that was Gase - we went from Herm to Mangini to Rex to Bowles to Gase to Saleh to Glenn All of them the same guy…a rookie DC trying to figure it out on the job. So sure fine AG is a different guy, but is he REALLY? No not really. He is still a rookie. He is still a defensive guy. The cycle keeps repeating because Woody the dumbass fuck doesn’t ever fucking learn
Just heard on Connor Hughes podcast, Jets threw everything but a kitchen sink at Vrabel. And Vrabel wasn't using the Jets, he was genuinely interested and would have taken the job if not for his alma matter NE spot being opened up later on. He could not turn it down, he is a NE guy through and through. If NE spot didn't open up, this would have been that proverbial blind squirrel finding a nut. Woody would have stumbled into someone good just by accident. But ... what could have been. Of course it didn't have to be this way. Woody could have done the obvious and fired failed regime in the offseason instead of several games into the next season and could have gotten Vrabel at that point, since Kraft picked Mayo. Unfortunately he was too stupid to realize that two things could have been true at the same time: he did not have a QB AND also his coach and GM were awful. Even his dumb ass could have actually accidentally stumbled into a good coach in Vrabel if he just had an ounce of intelligence to get rid of JD and Bob in the offseason. His stupidity is really holding this franchise back big time.
Yup You can always count on Woody to do the full on wrong thing. ALWAYS. It goes back to he doesn’t know people…he can’t identify a good coach from a fraud. And its because unlike either the long term family football team owners like the Hunts in KC or the Rooney’s in Pitt, for whom football is in their DNA, and unlike the guys who actually built businesses and/or ran large companies (pretty much the norm now as franchises are so expensive), Woody never HAD to learn how to read people, how to assess employees, how to manage people, how to fucking lead…he never had to learn any of that because he hasn’t done jack fucking shit other than inherit a fortune. And he’s a stupid fuck. So yeah, he will never be able to make the informed wise decision. He’s shown us that over and over and over
