Just an aside, but who was that beast of a QB who played for the Bengals the other night? We need a guy like that.
If Bill Parcells is really Aaron Glenn's mentor, then why is Glenn performing so badly. I would think Bill Parcells would be the best mentor possible for a NFL head coach.
It makes me so angry. He should've tried the game winning kick. High probability the kick would've been short, or wide or blocked because it's the Jets at least they would've gone for the win. I would be at peace with the outcome. To go for it on 4th down with Fields the outcome was so predictable who didn't know Fields would take another sack with the game on the line?
I don't know where to post this so I'll put it here. What happened to the Carolina opponent of the week thread? Last week we lost the poll this week we lost the thread entirely? I liked them.
The Jets were probably always going to be set up for a bottom'ish type tier season of 2025, but the last few days was a great reminder of 2 things: 1. This team was at least a lot more fun to watch lose for those 3 hours every sunday with both Aaron Rodgers (and then latter Davante) on it. 2. The fans who spent all spring stressing words/concepts like CULTURE in their justification takes on why getting rid of our2 best offensive players was a **GOOD** idea for our 2025 season, and who a mere 6 games in to this "culture rebuild" are already doing toxic level turns on the new HC and replacement QB, deserve every ounce of that suck these days that comes with rooting for a Woody Johnson football team. You'd think this was MLB baseball the way people always romanticize the concept of a "rebuild". When outside downgrading QB to Fields all that really changed and all that translates into in the NFL is the Jets deciding they were still going to lose games with a shittier and less fun to watch football team then we could of had. To the cheers of a large majority of this fanbase.
I think things changed since the days when Parcells was here. Things evolved. It is more offense oriented League, and you need to be good schematically to win and make intelligent decisions that have that in mind. AG is still that guy who wants to run the football and win a race to 20. Basically like Bob was, but not as accomplished defensively and his defense stunk except 1 game. The culture will change when you are schematically good and smart enough to win games. Let me give you a small example, but this really shows a larger concern. In the last game 4th and 8, we had an option of 62 yarder to win the game. Now, we can debate whether Folk can hit 62, but he did hit 58 recently, and the conditions in London were perfect at that time. But at the press conference AG mentioned this was a 65-68 yarder. 1st of all, how do you not know exact distance? Why is he giving the range, I mean there was a precise number there, no? And that number was 62, not 65-68. So, the head coach didn't even have a clue how long a FG we had. If he did, maybe he wouldn't just say we need to get to 35 yard line. Maybe some play calling would have been different when we got to their 47 yard line. And things like that come up all the time, and they are often a lot more complex than that.
I really don't think Aaron Glenn is to blame for this mess. Many HCs came and went. So did a lot of OCs, DCs and a plethora of players. Players seem to have a revival of their respective careers, (well. with the exception of Zach Wilson - I hated that pick from the start). The only constant is - this nutjob of an owner, who keeps meddling with everything in the football operation. As long as Woody keeps fucking the team, this franchise is destined to be the league doormat. Regardless of the players or the HC or the coordinators.
He’s not to blame for the entire mess, but his own complete disfunction is entirely on him. I don’t want a coach that can’t handle the basic strategies of a game, can’t motivate his players to play to the whistle, and can’t instill the basic fundamentals. He has zero identity as a coach. We are in no shape or form a team that should be hiring coaches to learn on the job, and Glenn has far too much to learn.
We ALL know you're right. To a man and woman, we all were HOPING for a seasoned HC. We all WANTED a season HC. There is NO 1st time HC that is capable of dealing with this mess. The ONLY type of HC that is going to succeed in rebuilding the Jets is one that can look Johnson in the eye and tell him to F-U-C-K O-F-F when he absolutely must. And Johnson needs to learn to fuck off when told to do so. UNTIL that happens, this endless carousel of coaches WILL continue. The Jets aren't LUCKY enough to accidentally land on the next top flight guy as a 1st timer ala Sean McVay or McConnell in Minnesota. At this point in time the only thing I KNOW is Aaron Glenn WILL breathe a sigh of relief when he gets fired and he'll never toy with the Jets again. He'll take these key learnings and be "Pete Carroll" somewhere else. We will still be jacking around with newbies because Johnson can't get a known quantity to come here. I've heard a lot of names thrown around and, honestly, I don't think anyone, who actually cares about their career, is coming here.
I really don't think the problem is with him not being seasoned, if by that you mean HC experience. I mean Coen is not making these mistakes. Ben Johnson is not making these mistakes. Glenn has been around football all his life. I mean most of us are not seasoned either, but we know the distance that a kicker needs to hit if the ball is in 44, we know it does not make sense to return a kick from the end zone, time and time again. Or when the ref puts the ball a yard short of a 1st down and the other ref is standing with hand raised a yard short of a 1st down, it is a yard short of a 1st down. Or when Fields appeared to have gotten a 1st down but marked a few inches short, instead of using a timeout anyway which Glenn did, why not throw a challenge flag. That will give you time you need to think about the next play and at the same time give some chance for the 1st down. I mean you are burning a timeout anyway. These are not the things that a smart head coach does, regardless of experience. A Coen who calls plays for Jags offense and his DC have a combined total of 1 year of play calling experience. And they are doing just fine. It's not about seasoning. It's about how intelligent you are as a coach and how good you are schematically. Leadership and other softer skills are also important, sure, and yes possibly HC experience from before also can help a some, but first and foremost you need to have a brilliant mind to be a successful HC, and thus far I have observed the opposite from Glenn. And it has very little to do with previous HC seasoning.
Thank you. There’s things I just come to expect from a rookie HC. Strategy, game management, and knowing the rules. The substantial difference where a Coordinator doesn’t have alot of opportunity prior to being a HC is management of the press and how they handle themselves, so I give leeway there. Duuuuuuval was a classic example. The more you get to see Cohen the more you realize he’s nothing like the goofball that made him out to look like. He’ll never do something like that again. But on the field the guy is a student of the game, he knows everything that’s needed to be known to be an intelligent HC in the league. I do not feel the same about Glenn.
Good summary. Since Gase, we've been chasing these leadership/intangibles coaches who are consistently outmatched schematically and in game management. You don't accidentally produce the longest playoff drought in pro sports in a league designed for parity. The only way to produce such a run of ineptitude is when you keep trying to do things the fundamentally wrong way over and over. It's one thing to try to do things the right way and fail - that's how you get middling records like 9-8, 8-9, 7-10, 10-7, etc. It's another thing to keep running a suboptimal strategy over and over (and not even doing that suboptimal strategy well). We keep putting a hard cap on our success via the types of coaches we hire. Poor GMs and drafting have taken care of the rest.
We keep hiring cheerleaders, maybe not Gase but Saleh, Glenn, hell Rex was too. Bowles wasn't and he ultimately turned out to be good enough (or atleast he found a QB that makes it appear that way). We need a strategist with experience, a student of the game, someone that can manage a game but also can gameplan and scheme to hide deficiencies on the roster. I want a guy that looks and acts like a Ben Johnson, McVay type. The anti Glenn, someone you see on the sideline watching the game and think to yourself "that guy is in control, he gets it". The cheerleaders don't work unless you are winning, a Dan Campbell is great but if you are losing week in and week out they just look like clowns. The only guy I know of out there that is a smart offensive guy, has previous HC experience and the demeanor to go along with it is Kingsbury. That's who I want, on record.
Game 1. Hey, great! Look at our offense! Lost on a stupid fumble. Cut that player..accountability at last. Boy, this new staff is different. they get it. 5 games later...woe is us. the sky is falling. AG is seemingly making some bad decisions True. Maybe he is learning on the job, maybe he is not capable of doing that. DC and OC seem to performing poorly by not getting most out of players. How much is on the players? Pick a number 25%.50%. 75% Who knows. But we are all reacting (ME TOO) to a very small sample size of 5 games. That's what fans do...overreact all the time (ME TOO). 11 games left for the staff to show they are learning. They are all new in their jobs. I hope to see staff improvement, even if the games are lost as a result of player ineptitude. There are plenty of opportunities to change players, only a few to change staff, and without sure HOF players at key positions, its the staff that will get wins vs. loses. Lets see what kind of progress is made. BTW, I do not like AG but he is our coach.
So basically, that confirms it's Woody. He is responsible for all of this. That jackass is a fundamental fool. I don't care who but he needs to pick SOMEONE and then just walk away. Let them alone. <sigh> Sadly, we all know this is never going to happen.
I just don't think it is good enough to "show improvement" from their own historically bad start. This is too low of a bar, even for the Jets. Show improvement over last regime. Last regime won 5 games last year. Show improvement over that and then we are talking. Bob won 4 games with rookie Zach as a starter, no Sauce, no GW, no JJ, no Breece, no OL, no TEs, no investments in CB or LB. Basically with total shit aside from Q. That was full rebuild. If Glenn cannot show improvement over that with MUCH better roster, he does not belong here, as simple as that.
It's certainly not enough since it would be next to impossible to not show improvement over the last two times out. They could finish with -5 yards passing and that would be showing improvement.
Yeah, I am not buying into effectively ending the season in September, win a game in Oct/Nov somewhere, and then a couple of more at the end to ruin the draft position a la Gase, then say see how much we improved. I mean is improvement over the WORST year of the last failed regime with much better roster too much to ask to earn the second year? Is it really? Is the bar THAT low? Let's start winning some, beginning today. Show us something. We are not talking about instant coffee anymore. We are close to mid point of the season . At this point there should have been plenty of time to make a fancy cappuccino and even roast your own beans for it.
