The good news is the last 5 years have already prepared us for being out of contention before October. It’s quite possible the team could be worse this year, but much much worse than it’s been? What would that look like, season over by August? It kinda already is so I guess you have a point. I’m numb as a fan lol
2024 season over Oct 27, when we lost to NE. 2023 season over Nov 24, when we lost to the Dolphins on Black Friday. 2022 season was the one when we went into December with 7-4 record, just to lose 6 in a row to finish the year 2021 season Oct 24, when NE dropped 50 burger to go down 1-5. It will be hard top top this record, but would be nice to get to December still in it, and then not lose every single game after but still be competitive in Dec. I think it is a fair expectation.
I'd say we will definitely enter the season among the top 4-5 team favorites to be picking #1 in next year's draft. If the Tanner Enstrand hire is a Hackett level miss I think the legit floor here is rookie level Justin Fields play and a 1 win season. So yeah, it can get worse.
Too be blunt that expectation acknowledgement is baked into the reason why i'm less rage'y this time around about hating the OC hire. Like I'm already 100% expecting 2025 to be a throw away season. If I'm wrong on Engstrand great. I'd be excited to see what Fields can do with good coaching. If I'm not wrong then that likely means both he or Fields are 100% gone next year anyway (Woody and the NY media will want their non-Glenn fall guys if we are *that* bad), and we then just shift over to the "real" start of the rebuild 1 year latter. That actually involves the prime position QB draft pick worth taking with a lottery pick that isn't there this year. Either way we Just need to get through this upcoming draft without pissing a premium pick away on a QB flyer.
I don’t expect miracles but hope for more disciplined played games where we don’t beat ourselves badly. My gut says the season will be middle of the road. I think the offense will be stronger in some aspects like with the run and in the red zone and controlling the clock. But not a high scoring offense. Our D needs to step up the gains against the run. We will know if JF has a future or not. I guessing 7 wins may be 8.
No, Things started to change immediately when Johnson took over as the OC. They were top 5 scoring offense, that was their turnaround season. Ben hit the ground running when he got his chance, the 3 win season was with the previous OC Lynn. The way I see it, we have the talent this year to step into the 2nd year of the Detroit model, as talentwise we are a year ahead of where they were in 2021. More like Detroit 2022. At least be competitive in December, be in the hunt for a play-off spot. And you are right a lot will depend on the OC as well as Fields.
maybe you should go follow whatever team the narcissist ends up on. if he even ends up on one. but it sure is funny that hes taking his sweet time deciding. even the giants were like f this were going another direction.
on what basis? please explain how the season will be over by august and why. what are the major flaws you see?
so you are saying that the new hc is crap, the new oc is crap, the new qb is crap and the new gm is crap? is that what you are saying? we have downgraded in just about every spot?
its funny for the first time in a long time im looking forward to seeing what the new season will bring and this board is bringing me down. guess i need to disconnect for a bit like i usually do.
Often is a small minority that is regurgitating the same sentence no matter the subject, over and over without rhyme or reason most of the time. They live and are stuck in the past and depress the whole fan base looking forward to the change in the future.
On the surface - yes. When you look at total yards, TDs, INTs, which are the glamour numbers, they look good. But I watched the games. Rodgers was inconsistent, immobile, and while not terrible overall, was a below average QB. Which is why his passer rating and QBR were not great. Particularly worrisome is completion % over expected (worse than any other NFL starter and some back-ups) and off target % (24th). This is not the same old accurate Rodgers in spite of high overall yards and TDs. And mobility is much worse too. And it's only downhill from here for the 1st ballot HOFer. I like the guy, but father time is undefeated. We made a right choice to move on, and got the best young QB who is already solid and has more potential we could get our hands on. https://x.com/RichCimini/status/1889024887794323921 Rodgers QBR: 25th Comp pct: 30th Comp over expected: 34th Yds/attempt: 28th TD/INT ratio: 14th Off target pct: 24th Record: 5-12
I stated I believe the OC hire is going to be a crap bust, and as an extension of that will likely spoil any chance Fields might have otherwise had to not be crap here. I've never stated I thought Aaron Glenn was crap. I just don't like the fact we brought in a HC who isn't going to have any "how to field a competent offense" answers, and who more importantly isn't surrounding himself with the right people capable of compensating for that. Ya know, the much more important then "good vibe" into pressers and fine point details that goes into those defensive coaches making good stories. Which ultimately tend be the actual difference maker between a Dan Campbell or last year's Dan Quinn regime run...or just something that morphs into the lastest Robert Saleh fail in an offensive driven league. I also never claimed the GM was crap. But I do question the hiring process and just how many hidden finger prints we'll find of Woody's on it latter if/when things start going south and stories start leaking. We'll see how the draft goes in a month I guess.
1. I don't like that on the surface the hiring feels centered a lot more around the fact he breathed the same air as Ben Johnson, and/or is rewarding a personal relationship with our new HC, then anything else. Basically...not a lot lot different then signing off on Hackett as this team's OC because hey...it's all good because Rodgers likes/wants him.. 2. I especially don't like the above in relationship to the fact he wasn't the one calling the plays in Detroit 3. As an extension of the above i don't like the fact he has zero play calling experience in the NFL period, or any type of being "the guy" track record of responsibility going in to the massive undertaking turning this offense around is going to be on anybody. 4. I think it's a **GIGANTIC** red flag that Detroit didn't apparently think highly enough of Engstrand, or his role within the organization, to offer him the job as Ben's successor. Who instead went with external hire guy in Johnny Morton, and who for those who remember him is getting his second crack at an OC gig there after being fired from here back in 2017. 5. I don't think it's a great chasing positive results elsewhere sign, which on the surface is what i assume most people would lean on to suggest this as a good hire, that a green as can be OC is going with a completely different skillset QB then what they ran in Detroit.
I wouldn’t read into the fact that Detroit “let” him go too much. Morton was on that staff before and has a closer relationship with Campbell with the Lions and Saints he’s new to calling plays but Hackett was NOT new to calling plays, he’s like pretty much the opposite, so that’s a strange comparison I like that he worked with Harbaugh a lot and got his start with him. That doesn’t get talked about much
Morton was with Payton as a QB coach in Denver last year. Engstrand was the in-house guy and got passed over. I think i'm reading that how it should be read and without trying to make any defensive excuses while i do it *shrug*. But for record and to note I'm also going in to this projection evaluation as somebody who prior to this signing was probably Justin Field's most out spoken fan on this board. You can find a litter of posts i made dating back to last year similar to this one: https://forums.theganggreen.com/threads/with-the-10th-pick.99846/page-4#post-4384834 But I'll say the same thing I said then in relationship to a potential pairing with the Jets I also said then: I really like Justin Fields as an upside player play *if* put in a good developmental situation. But the likely truth and surrounding reality here is that *WE*, by any rational account right now, are the exact opposite of a good development situation lol. Especially if the plan here is to essentially just hand him over a stripped down version of last year' offense that is somehow trying to re-invent itself under another in-over-his-head OC hire. Choosing here over Pittsburgh, and essentially pushing his chips all in on 7/2 off suit hand, most likely ends up being a really poor career choice for him imo when it gets re-evaluated a year from now.
