Correct, and I’m responding to the concept of drafting a QB, which is something we absolutely should not be doing now. Tyrod is here and he’s cheap. There’s not many options in FA, maybe grab Winston if we can. But drafting a QB again without an offensive minded HC is a disaster I just don’t have the time or patience to endure again. As for who I think we should draft, I mentioned earlier we should trade down and stockpile picks and focus on offense early, maybe LB on the defensive side. But knowing how things go I’m sure we’ll take a DT at 7.
Other than talk trash, I really have no agenda right now. I don't give a rats ass if you draft All Pro's in every single slot of this football team. No QB, no winny winny. This year sucks ASS for QB's. Actually this one AND next year, so far, don't look all that hot to me. LAST year was the year, for QB's AND HC's. Somehow the NY Jets seem to fuck timing up just like they fuck everything else up.
I don't get it, you're blaming the Jets for the happenstance of changing regimes during a bad QB year? Them dicking it up would be once again drafting a shitty QB high in one of those years so IMO they haven't fucked it up yet. Plus nobody knows if its a good QB year and if they say they do they're talking out of the arse.
Byz...I'm playing the odds man. We already KNOW this QB draft sucks. So, BECAUSE the Jets MUST ABSOLUTELY draft a QB within the next 2 years, that GUARANTEES that the pickings will be shit, slim and none 2026 as well. It's just the way it works with this team. Actually, while I'm thinking about it, does it really matter? The Jets could have drafted Mahomes and, based on this team's history, he would have been shipped out within 4 years. That's another thing this team does well, kill QB's.
I'm not getting caught up in draft possibilities this off-season. My advice to the team is to draft good players.
As fans, we always get excited about the 1st and 2nd round picks, but you need to hit on some later round picks to have a strong roster. JD's record in that regard was woeful. The new GM needs to do better.
Let’s be honest, we’ve been woeful in every round. We’ve had the 2nd round curse for over a decade, Devon Smith, Jace Amaro, Denzel Mims, Elijah Moore, Hackenberg, Stephen Hill, Geno Smith, Ducasse……. Our 1st rounders have been almost as awful, Gholston, Sanchez, Kyle Wilson, Coples, Dee Milliner, Pryor, Darron Lee, Jamal Adams, Darnold, Becton, Zach Wilson. That’s 11 1st round busts since 2008. 16 years, 11 busts. 2nd round, we’ve had 7 busts in the same timeframe which would make you think it’s not so bad, except we had no 2nd round pick at all in 6 of those years, so 13 out of 16 years the 2nd round netted us nothing at all or a bust. Let’s face it, we’re just atrocious at every level with every regime we’ve employed.
I'm actually stoked for a lot of guys in this draft.. I'm not sure how many of these guys line up with what we need though. Haven't got that far... I also haven't done a big dive on all the prospects coming out yet. I'll just list my favorites as of now though. ..and yes, it's OSU heavy. I wouldn't list them if I didn't think they would be good for the NYJ though. That's the truth. Mason Graham, DT, Michigan Will Johnson, CB, Michigan Will Campbell, G/T, LSU Tyler Warren, TE, Penn State Abdul Carter, Edge, Penn State Emeka Egbuka, WR, OSU Josh Simmons, OT, OSU Jack Sawyer, EDGE, OSU Donovan Jackson, T, OSU JT Tuimoloau, EDGE, OSU Benjamin Morrison, CB, ND Xavier Watts, S, ND Malaki Starks, S, Georgia
Perhaps. His first draft was an unmitigated disaster. He drafted a guy that has a ceiling of being a decent OG at 11 who now plays for another team, and a career backup S in the 3rd round. Every other pick was awful. His 2nd draft netted an OG that he traded up for, a decent journeyman LB in Sherwood, and a very good Nickel CB. 3 out of his 1st 4 picks are already off the team, including the disastrous decision to drafr Zach Wilson 2 overall. His 3rd draft was obviously his best, however beyond the first 2 rounds it was terrible. Ruckert is not an NFL caliber TE, drafted in the 3rd round. Max Mitchell and Michael Clemons have had playing time but both are also just not NFL caliber players. Clemons is awful, Mitchell might hang around in the league as a backup. His 4th draft saw us take a pass rushing project at 14, a C that has not lived up to expectations, an OT that is even worse than Max Mitchell taken in the 4th round, and garbage beyond that. Last year’s draft he took Fashanu, a total project WR, and 2 RB’s that are basically the exact same player when RB was not a huge position of need except for the fact his 3 prior RB’s he drafted outside of Hall of were just terrible. The further time goes by we’ll get a true picture of his 2023 and 2024 drafts, but I’m not hopeful. I don’t really think he did an ok job at all, I think he really was terrible.
The most important position on the field is QB, without one and we will constantly be picking in the top 10. With that, I feel the best QB for us can be had in the 2nd or 3rd round this year. Kyle McChord, has it all with the exception of mobility. While it would be amazing to find a Allen, Jackson, or Daniel's clone in this draft I just don't see it. I have watched every single game of McChord's since transferring to Cuse. The kid can make every throw, rarely makes mistakes, and is highly intelligent in the mold of P Manning. Don't take that as me saying he is P Manning 2.0 but more so his overall game intelligence. I would love to see the Jets draft him in the 2nd or 3 round
I’ve heard pretty good things about him as well, though with the lack of good QB prospects this year, is he expected to be there in round 2 or will some team overdraft him in round 1 just because he’s a QB and there aren’t that many of them this year. It feels more like if we want to draft him, it may be safer just to trade back a bit and maybe grab him in the mid-first round? Don’t know enough about him other than the little I’ve read on him
QB is the one position, I feel as time goes on, that this NIL thing is going to kill. These kids, if they don't get the playing time they want, simply transfer and then they have to begin again. The other skill positions as well as line are less impacted by a change of scenery. Heck, you can have a QB that could have been in no less than 2 or 3 systems by the time they are ready to be drafted and, IMO, that is not a "good" thing. The key to QB performance is STABILITY and that is no longer a Modus Operandi of College Football. What really blows me away is how these supposed NFL PROFFESIONALS can totally ignore the product on the field and be swayed by a combine/pro day workout. See comment about Anthony Richardson, below, and of course we ALL know how Zach Wilson turned out. The top QB in the 2024 draft, Jayden Daniels, played for 2 schools but he also played for FIVE years. Which is nearly unheard of, in this day and age, for any position. He had 55 starts which is some 30 starts MORE than Zach Wilson and Trey Lance COMBINED! Caleb Williams only played for 2 teams but he also had 37 starts which is, yet again, a crap ton more than a lot of these guys getting drafted in this day and age Bo Nix - 2 teams but, again, played for FIVE years and compiled 61 starts which is, literally 3 times more than the aforementioned Williams/Lance combo Heck it's TWICE as many starts if you add Anthony Richardson (who will be out of the league in 2 years IMO) Drake Maye - played for ONE school and amassed over 30 starts as well. The key here is ONE school Now, let's take a look at this year's crop of QB's... Cam Ward - Can't BELIEVE this kid is rated #1 one some rankings! 3 schools (does that 1st one actually count?) and a whopping 62% winning percentage. Not what I would consider a day 1 pick. Shedeur Sanders - a little better but his record is Meh. You can throw out the Jackson State records and his Colorado experience was fair to mid-ling AT BEST. He's on this list because of his dad. Dillon Gabriel - I like what I see as far as record and schools, although, I think he should have stayed at Oklahoma. HOWEVER, he's just NOT big enough! He's going to get ripped in half in the NFL. A project, NOT a day1 pick. Jalen Milroe - He actually went BACKWARDS in 2024. NOT the kind of numbers I would expect of an Alabama kid and most certainly a major red flag to see him regress where, after being on the same team for 4 years you would expect progress. Folks, it's a bit too early to tell but 2026 doesn't look a whole lot better! Arch Manning, so far, is rated the top QB and there's no way in flying rats butt hell that the Manning's will EVER let their "kid" be drafted by the Jets. For those too young to remember, Peyton Manning went BACK to school to avoid the Jets. That's real hatred there. The only other QB, for now, rated in that realm is Nico Iamaleava. We'll "see" what he does over the next year but, to be quite frank, it's not looking good on the QB front. LAST year is when we should have been in the market and, as usual, the Jets are always a day late and a dollar short.
How is Shedeur’s record mid-ling at best? He was phenomenal at Colorado. Did you ever watch him play? Did you see how many times he’s been sacked in his career? He’s the FBS all time leader in completion percentage too. That includes a season behind ong of the worst offensive lines I’ve ever seen in college football in 2023. Have you ever watched Milroe play? Alabama QB’s outside of Bryce Young and Tua have mostly always had unimpressive stats. I agree if you look at Milroe’s stats in a vacuum they’re somewhat unimpressive but I suggest you go back and watch some of his capabilities. It sounds like you’re just reading college football reference instead of watching my man. And if anything I completely disagree with your entire first statement. I think NIL helps QB’s above all other positions. No longer do you need to commit to a big time school and wait 2-3 years before getting a chance to start. You can commit to Alabama, get paid, transfer out and go somewhere where you’re going to play, thus accumulating tons of experience. Or vice versa - go play a ton of football at Arizona State like Daniels did and transfer into a big time school to face real competition. NIL allows QB’s to run into the NFL with tons of experience. Bo Nix was trash at Auburn. Good NFL player because of all his experience now.
Your Manning history is way off. Payton Manning was declaring if Parcells guaranteed that he wouldn’t trade the pick to another team and actually drafted Manning. Parcells wouldn’t give that guarantee so Manning went back to school. But he 100% was willing to come here. Now that we’re in the Woody era I don’t know if that holds true.
Yes, he was willing to come here, and he wanted to come here if he was guaranteed #1. However, "pro teams were not allowed to approach Manning, an undergraduate who did not declare for the draft. The Jets carefully avoided any reference to Manning in public, or even in off-the-record conversations with members of the news media." https://www.nytimes.com/1997/04/16/sports/manning-may-have-been-waiting-for-sign-from-the-jets.html If the Jets told him or his liaison that they would take him #1 and anyone found out, they would lose the pick and then some. "''I told him I looked at every play Peyton threw,'' Parcells said of his conversation with Archie Manning, ''and he's a very good player.''" That's all Parcells could have done. He is getting blamed for losing Peyton, when it was not his fault. What Peyton wanted, which was a guarantee before he declared was not possible by the rules. If he really wanted to go to NFL, he could have declared, and they if Parcells didn't guarantee then even though he could, he could have changed his mind at that point. But blaming Parcells for not committing to Peyton BEFORE he declared was against the rules, it could not have happened.
Yeah man but this is/was one of those things that you’re not going to find a direct quote or article about Parcells’s intentions. It’s pretty well known that Manning was coming out if he got some sort of assurance and he didn’t. Don’t be like some certain posters around here that can’t read in between the lines if there’s not a direct quote in the Daily News about it lol. It’s also not that surprising given what happened 7 years later with Eli and Archie’s whole ego about where he goes. What I never got was why did they trade the pick and seemingly get so little in return? Maybe some guys who were a bit older than me back then can explain. It’s not like Jumbo Elliott was 24 at the time. We passed on two HOF tackles.
Defense of Jets is like a sieve Offense with or without Rogers questionable Draft BPA ..and don’t think twice about it The Jets need help all over the map tbh
Yeah, I don’t blame Parcells at all. I was referring to mezzavo’s post claiming Manning refused to play for us. That’s just simply not true
