If we get Smith that would be the most Jets shit hire of the century. He’s an awful coach with zero offensive creativity and basic scheme.
Coaches we should be banging the door down to hire. 1. Ben Johnson 2. Spagnollo 3. Aaron Glenn 4. Kliff Kingsbury Coaches in the middle that would be decent and have a chance at success with experience. 1. Rex 2. McCarthy 3. Pederson 4. Rivera Guys I would not touch with a 10 foot pole 1. A Smith 2. Flores 3. Any coach with less than 5 years coaching experience
I could see it… I think in that situation he could do well. Saleh was handcuffed to bring in Hack. His GM traded away one of his most productive DL in JFM. He lost Huff for Riddick that was a bust. He had ARod running the team over his head. Let’s be serious Saleh is an excellent defensive coach. He got his legs cut off here as soon as Rodgers stepped through the door and had teenagers telling JD what to do… At the Jags he will be set free to run a program that has nice pieces on offence and a D he can coach up.
Saleh is not an excellent Defensive coach. He runs a basic shell D that requires studs at multiple positions. A monkey could run his D (his words, not mine). Saleh is a terrible leader and a total fugaze.
It’s hard to lead when your legs are cut off at the knees. Don’t get me wrong he had a ton of flaws but I do believe he is one of the best defensive coaches. If his scheme is so easy to execute why would SF want him back and not have that surfer dude still running it? I think the monkey comment was to just build up his defensive players
I like the categorization…my thoughts: Category 1 - Solid hires Johnson, Spagnolo, Kingsbury - yeah agree I’d be happy with any of these guys but Johnson already told Woody to fuck off Glenn - not sure I’d include him in this categor…another first time DC hire is not someone we should be banging down the door to hire in my view…we’ve ignored offense for decades and I’d hate to see that continue…I see him more as a category 2 guy McCarthy/Pedersen - I’d probably add these guys to the first category…both are offensive coaches, proven Super Bowl winners, both accomplished more than any coach we’ve had since Parcells and I’d be happy to get either guy in the house Category 2 - Meh…maybe works, maybe not Personally I’d put Glenn in this category…yet another gamble on a first time defensive guy doesn’t excite me much, but Glenn has some good qualities…it’s a bigger risk though that he can fix the offense Rex is borderline category 2 or 3…he has had the most success of our coaches since Parcells and he does seem to love this team and want to be here, but I’d probably search elsewhere Rivera I’d move to category 3…he is very mediocre…and while “mediocre” is still better than the shitstorm we’ve had at HC, I just don’t think he can fix any of our problems… Category 3 - Fuggetaboutit Agree with Flores and Smith…as I said above Rivera is in this category for me…I want no freaking part of any of these guys The fact that we haven’t talked with some of the hot OC candidates like Monken or Roman or Coen is crazy to me…and they should be on the list for sure. I know Joe Brady is on our interview list and he’s a category 1/2 tweener I think… Sad to say, it’s not a great list…the one proven guy who has done it every single place he’s been in both college and pros was Harbaugh…that was the move to make…or Sean Payton the year before…but Woody was too stupid to figure out the obvious move so here we are
I could see it too. Saleh didn't get a fair shake here. I could see him having some success elsewhere a la Todd Bowles. Jacksonville has a cake division too
I suspect Saleh is getting interviews because of the Rooney rule and he can interview in person right away plus as info gathering, plus consider for DC for another HC. He is an intelligent person, has been around the League, and is good to probe for info, so I see value in talking to him. I do not see him ending up with another HC job though any time soon. I hope I am wrong as it would be fascinating to see how he does with another organization, but I doubt he will get a real shot this cycle.
I want the best overall head coach - a leader and culture-setter above anything else. That said, it seems like they are heavily favoring defensive guys. I keep seeing more DC names pop up. Has to be more offensive-minded potential HCs out there. I still like Aaron Glenn. And I'm open to Flores on some level but all that went down in Miami and with the lawsuits is hard to shake. People can grow and change and maybe the lawsuits indeed had merit, but it would worry me. And I want no part of Ryan Grigson
Jags see what happened to Quincy (who they cut) when he came to the JETS.... (I loved reminding my friends who are JAGS fans this) Also, seeing the JETS get WORSE across the board after Saleh was canned isn't hurting his cause, although I think he needs another DC role again...
The concern I have now with Spielman and Tanny is why we do not have any of Johnson, Coen, Monken, Kingsbury interview. I get it that someone like Johnson may just not be interested, and there is nothing we can do. But I do not accept that ALL of them are not interested. Big part of the reason I was excited about Tanny and Spielman is for their connections. So, why can't they use their connections to bring in good candidates? Like the way Tom Brady brought in Ben Johnson to talk to Raiders. And again, I don't expect ALL, but I also think that some of them should be interviewed. So far HC list looks weak. Now, I do think GM list is good, so clearly they have connections there, so my hope is that after hiring a GM we may unlock more candidates, but we need to move on that pretty quickly I feel. So far HC list is very concerning.
That type of thing can backfire on you quick smart. It's a fine line between discipline/accountability/standards and creating a toxic culture where the players despise you, check out mentally and ultimately request trades. You need to create a strong culture based on respect, not by ranting, raving and deriding your players. I don't know why we still haven't looked at Carroll, yeah he's old but I think he could help establish a strong culture to build off. This is going to be a multi-year project and Carroll may not be there to see it through but he could be there for 3 years or so to pay the foundations.
Being honest, I’m starting to think that there’s a profile of what Woody and Co want, and great offensive minds don’t fit that profile. It seems we’re always doomed to first time coaches that were formerly DC’s. It’ll happen again with A Glenn I’m sure
