To me, this would also be a worst case disaster! Ugh no… Would be tough to swallow if this is the way they go, but it is SO typical Woody…kind of enough to make me go find a better team, no?
I'd ok with Grigson and Flores. I think I prefer Aaron Glenn as coach but if those two come as a package deal, you are getting experience and raising the bar here
The problem with experience is that you normally don't get to hire someone with GM experience unless it is that of failure. And I see a lot of failure with Grigson. I mean you basically tanked your way into getting a generational QB, an absolute dream for a GM. And you fuck that up so badly, the guy retires 10 years early. With experience like that, I will take a rookie any day. Look at Philly. Their roster is stacked year in and year out. Even the QB they have, a second round guy, who is good, but I do not consider an elite QB, and yet every year they are in play-offs and are actually contending, winning play-off games. Won SB and made another without elite QB but by the strength of the roster and coaching. I know JD didn't work out, but he was only in Philly for 3 years. Halaby worked directly with Roseman for 13 years and is a Harvard grad, so there is a high probability he actually learned something from the best. I'd like a rookie like that over proven utter failure.
A lot to unpack there, including some falsehoods. -For starters Grigson IS a Philly guy, he worked in that organization, and right next to Roseman for 7 years, this Halaby kid was still an undergrad chasing tail when they were building that organization together... -Secondly, it is clearly hyperbole to say Grigson caused Luck to retire. Luck quits on the game of football, that's his prerogative, but obviously that's a personal decision with numerous factors on and off the field, many of which a GM can't do anything about -Grigson has acknowledged mistakes he made there in Indy by the way and both Cleveland and Minnesota's young general managers have been effusive in their praise as to how much he helped them perform their duties as General Manager.
Grigson is a Philly guy, but he is not a Roseman guy. He wasn't his understudy, they only had 2 years when he was a GM in his very early GM years, and he really became one of the best GMs in business later, when Grigson was already gone. My point about Halaby was that he was Roseman's main apprentice when Howie had most success, he saw how he operates, what it takes year after year after year. For 13 years. Basically he is Roseman's protégé, who after 13 years I think should be ready to start replicating some of that success. This is not to say that Grigson had a bad resume before he joined the Colts. But he didn't work out. I am sorry but when you get a talent like Luck, the expectations are higher, and you have to protect him at all costs. Luck retired because he kept getting hit and hurt. I get it that he acknowledged his mistakes, but these were some catastrophic mistakes. Does he deserve a second chance after 3 years with Minny? Maybe, but I just think Halaby is a much better choice now. Same organization, but with Roseman at the helm, learning directly for 13 years, and part of two SB teams, one winning all.
LOL. Of course. Sure you haven't pointed out a single falsehood, and are unable to respond, so yeah, never mind.
Yes I have. Andrew Luck retired to save the relationship with his wife, I thought that was pretty well known and I dont know what Ryan Grigson could've done about that. Marriage counseling? I dont intend to defend his honor, I dont care enough about him to do that, but it was funny that you trash him and prop up Halaby cause he worked with Roseman.... when in fact they both did. I dont think you knew Grigson worked in Philly --- at the end of the day I see Grigson as Halaby in 10 years. Someone who came up in a successful organization which enabled him to get his own shot running the show, with some successes and some failures and back looking for another opportunity. I think theres something to be said for hiring the guy who has already failed and learned, than the guy who hasn't yet.
Don’t really understand all the love for Flores…his records in Miami were 5-11, 10-6, and 9-8 for a three year total of 24-25, which is a .490 winning percentage. No division titles, no playoffs. Not exactly stellar credentials. And when you factor in the issues with getting along with players and ownership, it just doesn’t sound like someone I’d be knocking down doors to hire. I like the perceived toughness he may bring, but there’s a fine line between being “tough” and being a dick…not sure he’s on the right side of that line. I don’t know, I would not love this hire if that’s the way Woody goes…
It's not well known at all, because he specifically cited injuries as the key reason. He had to be protected at all costs, no falsehoods there. "Marriage counseling" is the falsehood. https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/11...ost-his-motivation-to-play-the-game-he-loves/ "“I know my journey has had some ups and downs and it has taken a toll over the last four years,” said Luck, a four-time Pro Bowl selection. He added that his assorted injuries the past four years also have taken a “mental and emotional toll as well.” For Luck, the joy of playing was displaced by a constant pursuit of regaining his health. When he grew weary of that pursuit, his options became clear. “I’m in pain,” he said. “I’m still in pain. I’ve been in this cycle. It’s been four years of this injury/pain cycle. For me to move forward in my life the way I want to, it didn’t involve football.”"
Eh point taken but his first year in Miami should kind of be thrown out. There were talks across NFL-land and probably here as to if the Dolphins should be investigated and penalized for tanking when they had their fire sale. They traded away their starting left tackle in the offseason, then their starting safety and running back among some other in-season moves I’m probably missing.
It was said at the time that it was for taking a beating or whatever but yeah I think that bitch got in his head big time and said it’s me or football.
Maybe she didn't want him to get hurt all the time, I don't really know. Maybe she was a bitch, though being married to a football star is pretty prestigious, so who knows. But the bottom line is, are you suggesting he lied about injuries last 4 years playing a major role? I literally gave you a link with his exact quotes. Grigson did him no favors and I don't want to take a chance on whether he learned or not from mistakes that huge. I looked into his profile and I knew he had Philly background. I didn't know he was working under Roseman for his 1st two GM years: 2010 and 2011. But again, it was only for two years. Like JD was for 3 years. That's not a long time. This is different from Halaby who worked under GM Roseman for 13 years and went to two SBs with him. I also like the fact Halaby has analytics background and Harvard educated. I just think he will pick up a lot from Roseman as he was essentially his apprentice for 13 years. If anyone can replicate that success, it's him. Also, I am not saying Grigson was not qualified to work for Indy. My point is he failed in epic fashion there. That simply does not mean Halaby will also fail just because they both come from Philly. I get your point about Grigson learning from mistakes, but it is also possible he didn't as mistakes very pretty epic in nature. Hence I would take a guy from the same organization, but 11 more years under Roseman at peak of his success and different background, who while hasn't been a GM, didn't epically fail as one either.
holy shit if 3 playoff appearances and being named executive of the year means he "failed in epic fashion" than what do we call Joe Douglas? Is there a word 20X worse than "epic" to describe his failure
Imagine if the Jets drafted a guy of Peyton Manning caliber, didn't protect him, and all they got out of it is 3 play-off appearances before he's had enough of hits and injuries and decided to retire in his 20s. How is that anything less than a catastrophic failure? And btw, it's not as if he did some great drafting to get him, they had #1 overall, and Luck was a clear #1, not even close. It is exactly like JD, but he was handed/gifted Luck instead of JD drafting Zach.
Joe Douglas inherited the number 3 overall pick at QB and drafted the no 2 overall pick at QB. So apparently it’s not so easy to win in the NFL
The appeal with Halaby is that he's highly analytics and data-focused. I don't think that's a skillset that a lot of older candidates pick up naturally. It involves a lot of math and often even programming. It also involves rewiring your brain to a degree because a lot of analytics flies in the face of conventional football wisdom. With that in mind, experience can be a bad thing because you have to unlearn a lot of things you had been convinced for years were true.
No argument JD sucks, you don't have convince me. But if you think being given a Peyton Manning level talent at QB, not able to protect him, and getting only 3 play-off appearances out of that in total for the team, is anything more than a catastrophic failure (btw he went 4-12 when Luck was out all year) we are going to strongly disagree on that.
This is also why under JD analytics department has been total shit. I wouldn't expect this to change with Grigson or most others. I think with Halaby it will be completely revamped. And it will in theory positively impact many key things including draft selections and player signings. Also I don't want to underestimate the fact he has been under apprenticeship of one of the best GM in NFL for 13 years, went to 2 SBs, and we know the guy graduated Harvard and is no dummy. It's a combination that to me gives the highest probability of success. I really think Halaby is a no brainer hire. Which probably means we will pass on him, but I can hope, at least for the next few days.
