Head coaches get two lives, and Kingsbury already used up one of them. I think he wants to be a head coach again, but he can't afford to risk his last chance on the Jets.
This seems correct to me. I was thinking about the Kingsbury non-interview earlier and this is the only thing that explains it. Kingsbury is also probably thinking about Ben Johnson turning down jobs last year and having his pick of the litter this year. I generally think the whole "nobody wants to coach the Jets" thing is overblown, but we're a bad situation and top OCs have gotten increasingly comfortable waiting for a good role because they know the young OC archetype is the most in-demand type of HC candidate. This hiring cycle is tough because the only candidates I'd be truly excited about have no interest in us. We're just kind of screwed unfortunately. We're hiring during a time where the Jets are as big a circus as they've ever been and top candidates hold as much power as they ever have. It's a terrible confluence of factors for us. Just have to hope we get lucky I guess.
As much of a defensive minded person as I am I truly think we need an OC hire to be a headcoach: Kliff Kingsbury Ben Johnson Joe Brady Todd Monken Chip Kelly Liam Cowen I would love to see Kliff and Rex on the sidelines for game 1 later this year
we would lead the league in penalties for sure lol it would be entertaining though EDIT- I guess we already lead the league in penalties, so it would be more of the same
What we need is a Head Coach. Not an offensive or defensive guru, but a HC guru. A dude that knows how to motivate and lead men. Hire OC’s and DC’s that competently draw up schemes, but the HC needs to focus on being the HC.
Well supposedly Aaron Glenn has been crushing these interviews. Looks like it’s either the jets or saints at this point. maybe Glenn is just a leader of men, he’s going to need a strong offensive staff, if he brings some of the Lions personnel over, they can bring that wonderkid who’s been Ben’s understudy for a few years, Tanner Engstrand. You may then bring Barrett over for a role on the staff as well.
I believe Kingsbury is still getting paid his original Cardinals head coaching salary as well. Coordinators aren’t starving anymore (not that they ever were but still). They can make millions. No need to burn as you say their second life on a shitty situation.
The only way I see it changing is if we pick a GM that will change it. It's like a whole new important variable added into the equation. Ben Johnson for example wasn't going to consider the Raiders, but Tom Brady stepped in and changed his mind. If a good GM comes in, he could change mind of some of these coaches and actually target some better ones that are not on the list yet. Woody needs to hire a good GM and let him cook. There was enough interviews to make a really good selection now. No need to delay, a GM can join immediately even if the team is in play-offs. We need a new GM in the next few days. This is a critical week for the near future of the Jets franchise.
I really have no problem with a DC that is a leader. The key is to get a top OC. See Washington for example, or Tampa Bay among other. You need a HC that can LEAD THE TEAM FROM TOP TO BOTTOM WITH DISCIPLINE AND SMARTS, first and foremost.
DeMeco Ryans is another. Jim Harbaugh also leans to the offensive side of the ball and I’m sure takes a bit more of an interest in it but he’s a locker room general more than he is an offensive or defensive head coach. He lets his lieutenants handle the X’s and O’s.
Glenn would seem like a fairly uninspiring move imo. He’s another defensive guy, but I don’t think he’s as good on defense as Saleh was. Hopefully they can get a qb and get the offense squared away, but that’s a tall task.
When you have an elite QB, it's different. You can have a defensive head coach. It's just so much easier to call offense with someone like that at the helm. But without an elite QB, it's tough. Even looking at your own example - Tampa (Washington I think really lucked out with #2 pick Daniels, who looks like an elite QB). They had a good year with Canales as OC, and next thing you know, he is gone for greener pastures. Maybe if he stayed he would actually have a chance to build and improve and grow the offense. Now Bowles to his credit found another good OC. And they had a similar 10 win season, but instead of building on it year after year, how many years do you think Coen will last there? He might also only last one. Any defensive coach will have to keep finding good OCs every year or every other year, offense always changes, cannot grow over time, and you are stuck at best 9-10 wins until finally you don't get a good one and fail. Basically an upside with someone like Glenn is the same. If he can find a great OC, maybe 9-10 wins, even play-offs, and if/when he inevitably can't, new coach in 3 years. We need someone who can build an offense for years to come and develop a QB who is not a top 2-3 pick. We need an offensive guy: it's much easier to change defense.
Surprisingly, Mike McCarthy is out in Dallas. If the Jets are REALLY trying to retry that Rodgers experiment one more time, I could totally see it happening. In reality, he should have been the hire instead of Gase that year, even though I do think he has some shortcomings as a head coach.
Remember when Glenn returned a Colts missed FG for a TD? That was great. As our next HC? I'm not sure. These DC's....
I'm more than fine with McCarthy. He has a record of 174-112, and clearly has plenty of experience as a head coach. He'd be a floor raiser here, which I think is really what the Jets need right now. Get the loser stink off of everyone involved in this organization. He's like a perfect coach before the coach. He can get them on track, and if they want to go for the splashy big name hire in a couple years, they can.
yes this CAN happen….however I just have zero faith that WE can make it happen. We’ve tried this ad nauseum and the results are what they are…longest playoff drought for all major sports. Clearly WE can NOT figure out how to field a decent offense using this approach. Personally, I’m not sure I’d be holding up Tampa as an example where this works…I think Bowles is a terrible HC. He’s won that division by default with shitty records so he’s just the beneficiary of a very weak NFC South. Can you imagine him hanging in a better division like the AFC West or the NFC North? No way. I have NO idea what they were thinking with the clock management at the end of their playoff game last night but it was a fucking shitshow. Disgusting. So personally, I’d just rather go with the offensive guy…especially since even in the slim chance we would be successful with the defensive HC backed by a stud OC, the end result of that is the OC will get job interviews for HC as soon as he proves himself capable…then we’d be back to square one trying to find the next OC. Washington did well to get Kingsbury as the OC to the defensive HC, and he’ll probably get HC offers if not this year then next if they continue to play like they’re playing. It’s just not the ideal long term solution, and for a team like ours where we have done this for 23 of the last 25 years and have one of the consistently worst offenses to show for it year after year, I would think even a fucking dumbass imbecile like Woody would have enough wits to say, hey, let’s try something different. Sadly, I don’t think he does…
