It looks like the 1st round of GM interviews is over. Here is the list, also pasted below. I am not sure if there will be a second round or they just select outright. It appears they saw the key candidates in person and also satisfied Rooney rule in the process. So it is very possible a selection could be coming very soon without a second round. "A GM from a team in the playoffs can accept the job before their season is over if their current team provides written permission." I don't think any team would not provide the permission to give their guy a chance at a promotion. Right now the rosters are pretty much set, and a GM assistant is not critical, unlike the coaches. So, I would expect either a second round or a selection be made in the next few days, and with all negotiations we should have a GM in place by next weekend or even earlier. Ideally in the next few days so that they can attend Wednesday's interviews and maybe request a few more candidates, like Coen, Kingsbury and Monken. As you know, I am pulling for Halaby as #1. Borgnozi is #2 for me. Greenberg #3. Dimitroff may not be the worst choice either, but I'd prefer a current assistant, not a retread GM, even though Dimitroff was mostly successful until the end. Farmer is another retread GM who appears to have rebounded with the Rams, but his record as Browns GM scares me. So, hoping for top 3 on my list, ideally Halaby. General Manager December 16 Jets complete interview with Thomas Dimitroff. Read more here. December 17 Jets complete interview with Jon Robinson. Read more here. December 19 Jets complete interview with Jim Nagy. Read more here. January 2 Jets complete interview with Louis Riddick. Read more here. January 8 Jets complete interview with Alec Halaby. Read more here. Jets complete interview with Mike Borgonzi. Read more here. January 9 Jets complete interview with Ray Farmer. Read more here. January 10 Jets complete interview with Mike Greenberg. Read more here. January 11 Jets complete interview with Darren Mougey. Read more here. Jets complete interview with Lance Newmark. Read more here. Jets complete interview with Trey Brown. Read more here. Jets complete interview with Chris Spielman. Read more here. Jets complete interview with Ryan Grigson. Read more here.
With Vrabel AND Rex out of the HC race, perhaps we can go about this the right way and hire the f'n GM first and let him pick his guy? Just once can we do shit in a logical manner??
We have to see it all play out, but I do think the Jets went about this the right way. Two reasons. #1. You don't want to NOT interview HCs as others do it and lose time. At least vet them out a little bit. Otherwise by the time you get your GM you are bit late to start vetting everyone. Here you are on par with others and don't have to start from scratch when the GM gets installed. As much as I do not think Tanny and Spielman should be GMing, they can probably still gather some info and vet out bottom of the HC list before the actual GM shows up and finishes the job. They also satisfied the Rooney rule in the process. #2 There are some top coaches that you get regardless of a GM, and then hire a GM that they want. Vrabel is not my personal favorite, but if the Jets want a former HC, he would be a guy like that. Also Ben Johnson to me would be in that category. To get a guy like that you can hire him first and then offer him a chance to weigh in on a GM as these coaches would have some control of the roster. I suspect that is why Raiders fired their GM after only 1 year, as Tom Brady is using his stature to try to pull in Ben Johnson and basically give him full control. I would not put Rex in that category. I would not even put him in HC category . So, to me, the Jets went about it the right way, completely logical, even the abundance of interviews. You want to get more data. There is nothing wrong with picking an intelligent person's brain from another team or College to see how they feel about your organization and what they would do to fix it, even if they are not seriously considered. I do not perceive that as a waste of time. That data could later be used for consideration by the people who do end up getting hired. The only thing I have a hard time understanding is why Coen, Kingsbury, and Monken have not been interviewed. I do hope this is something the new GM who will be hired next week will rectify. The GM list I do feel has all the right people amongst the data gathering fillers - they just need hire the right one!
Thanks for the great summary and links. Can't wait to see the selection. With the new GM on board, logically the list of HC candidates should be filtered down and with him present, conduct a second set of interviews. Wondering who in the GM category made the final top 2-3. Speilman seems to be well respected in Detroit, a team that WAS DOWN THE GUTTER FOREVER NOT UNLIKE US.
One could only hope. How do you figure Rex and Vrabel are out of the race already BTW? Did something leak out with Rex.
I'm still trying to rationalize why there is a term "re-tread GM." This is something I need explained to me. You see, GM is PURELY a management and talent identifying role. BOTH of those items are things that get much better with experience. So one would ask, "Why would you not a GM that has done it before and grew/learned from their mistakes?" I really need someone to break this down for me. In fact, both GM and HC are management positions. It is my experience that, especially management positions, you get better with experience, time and a lot of different situations/scenarios. Let's take Bob for example. What was his ultimate undoing? In my opinion, his inability to hold his players accountable as well as a very bad habit of playing favorites, both among players and coaches, really did him in. That translated into high penalties, a lack of discipline and not recognizing when he needed to move on from poor players and coaches. If I went back and looked at how many games were lost due to penalties I'll bet you add somewhere between 10 & 15 wins over the course of his entire tenure. A LOT of 10 yard offensive holding penalties which are basically drive killers. The Jets excelled in having those penalties that knocked them out of FG range, let alone TD's. Badly timed drive extending penalties on the defense were a real problem. Not getting off the field on 3rd down was a hallmark of his defenses. On the personnel side, the inability to "accept" a player isn't a fit. San Francisco gave up the farm to draft Trey Lance yet they never FORCED the kid on the field. There were some obvious injury problems but, even when healthy, the kid never saw the field much. Conversely, Zach Wilson was shoved down our necks no matter how boneheaded he played. On the coaching side, the O-Line coach was/is clearly a problem. His units were some of the worst coached o-lines. Poor blocking scheme, execution and let's not forget those penalties. I don't know, I simply think that, when it comes to positions, especially management positions, the more opportunities and time the better. You really don't get that type of management experience unless you are the one doing it. You can come from the best run organizations in the league and have been tutored by the top people but, until you do it yourself, you simply don't know. When a player comes in your door and tells you his kid just drowned, you have no idea how you will handle something like that until you are in that chair. When a player mouths off you have no idea what/how you'll handle that situation until it's you in the hot seat with the final say. THIS is why this team is going to consistently fail unless a tremendous amount of luck lands on them. Why? Because Woody Johnson is NOW a MANAGER with NO management experience. If 20+ years has told us anything it's that he also is incapable of learning. You'd THINK he would have picked up something over the course of 2 decades but it doesn't appear to be so. Probably because he thinks he knows it all already. A COMMON problem with those silver spoon kids. Constantly being told how "great" he is from birth. We'll see, but I don't hold out much hope. I hold out even less hope that he won't meddle.
You guys get your news late. Vrabel hired by NE this morning. Conner Hughes broke the Rex news this morning.
When I used word retread, I just meant former GM. The way I look at is like this: A GM gets fired because for whatever reason they were not able to do the job well either from the get go or for a decent period of time. Same is true for a HC. So before you offer them that job again normally you want to see them succeed again in a lesser role in the League. Just because you have experience doesn't mean you now can do the job you failed to do before. This may be a management role, but there is a lot involved and people CAN get burned out and get worse as time goes along. The bottom line is, a person is fired because they failed for some time, and there needs to be some record of success in a meaningful role after you got fired to be hired again. To take Belichick example as a HC, he failed in Cleveland, did great with Parcells after and was hired again. Looking at the GM candidates, I see Farmer as the one that succeeded, but his failure for Cleveland was so big, I am worried about it. Dimitroff didn't really enter the League after he was fired, so why do we think he will now do better than at the end of his Atlanta tenure, when he was fired? Which is why in this case I personally would prefer guys like Halaby, Borganzi, or Greenberg. Now, if Dimitroff goes back into NFL, does well say as an assistant, then you are right, there should be a solid case to become a GM again.
I can't find a direct quote from Hughes, just a guy or two telling us what he supposedly said on WFAN; I'd like to see the exact language. Never thought he was a strong candidate anyway - too much baggage but I'll wait until we see something from Ryan or an updated list from the Jets. It should be time for second interviews to start, hopefully with a new GM taking part.
Absolutely. I think except for obvious failure like Ray the Farmer and of the wall picks like Riddick, I absolutely want somebody who made some mistakes elsewhere. Dimitroff and Robinson are great examples. Middling record overall, but did well for a time (Dimitroff built the super bowl falcons team, Robinson built multiple playoffs teams). There is this trope in the NFL that QBs get three chances, coaches get two chances, and GMs get only one. I don't know why to be honest.
You bet. I'm amazed you're able to sign on. What surprised me the most is that you really can't use ocean water unless its the option of last resort as it could contaminate the aquafer and ruin soil and so forth. You take care and keep a "go bag" and a tank of Gas at the ready. Check in with us just to let us know you're ok if and when you can.
Thanks Cman. Fortunately we are straight south of that far enough (30 miles) to be spared. The irony of this disaster that there is a huge reservoir in the affected area with capacity for 16M gallons, but was under repairs from what I understand.
Check this out. " @RichCimini said he sees Ryan Grigson at GM & Brian Flores at HC as a combo the #Jets like" To me this is about the worst case scenario. Grigson is the guy who caused Andrew Luck to retire 10 years early because he could not protect him. Does that sound familiar? I still have some small hope Woody will not be this dumb, but now bracing myself for utter disappointment.
Well, I wouldn't even consider picking Luck as an accomplishment. I am being completely serious: who wouldn't pick Luck, the whole point of the previous season was to tank to get him, he was consensus #1 pick on every mock draft at every level. But what he did was that he failed Luck and the Colts too. Had he been able to protect Luck, he would still be playing, he just turned 35 now and has been out of the League for like 7-8 years. Now not only we are talking about a GM who not only cannot aid the development of a QB, but the one that ruined a can't miss generational prospect. How he is being interviewed for a GM is beyond me, and I am hoping Dick Chimney is wrong and Grigson is just one of the fillers to gather info.
