You know the season is going up in smoke when Jets fans start to bicker amongst themselves about certain "things." We've got the "stupid play call vs. stupid throw" thread. A tanking thread...already. A fire the GM page and a few, "throw select players under the bus" page(s). Let's face it folks, purveyors of this team, especially the long time purveyors, know how this season is going to end. The NY Jets simply do not have the history of pulling successful seasons, late, out of the hat. It's the same DNA that can't seem to see the Jets draft, tutor and foster a young QB into stardom. Of course, we do not give up, that's not in the DNA either. However, giving up and accepting reality have started to merge. Thinking, specifically, of the play call vs. stupid throw thread. Doesn't matter if Rodgers tossed a risky ball or the CS is calling for pass plays instead of runs. Look, I get Brick/Downing's call there, before the half ended. Be aggressive, continue to try and score. That's what good teams do. They don't let off the gas until they are up by 40. Enter Rodgers. Again, he's in the same predicament, as a player, as is the team. He has a choice to make. He can sit back and "think" he's 32 and slinging it all over the field or realize he's 40, NOT Tom Brady, and on the down side of his career. A guy who needs to take ALL that football intelligence and historical knowledge and MANAGE this talented team to the playoffs. All Rodgers has to do is set aside his ego and realize he can no longer zip a ball into triple coverage in the red zone. Those days are gone. An ASTUTE game manager would have read the field, checked down to a run and BOTH coaches and player would be right. That's right, I said talented. To deny that would be to lie to yourself for the sake of wanting to be right. The boneheaded mistakes not withstanding, Joe Douglas has put enough talent on the field to be, at the very least, competitive. Certainly playoff worthy. Unfortunately, he also has other decisions to answer for. Lack of finding a serviceable QB, whatever that looked like. Consistently trotting out a mediocre and/or OLD offensive line. Those problems are nothing new to teams. Every team goes through that. Think Carolina wishes they had listened and drafted C.J? We're about to find out how deep the well goes now, as it looks like we have some serious attrition. What I cannot forgive Joe Douglas for is how the coaching staff has been managed. As GM, he should have had the stones to deal with Hackett and the ENTIRE offensive coaching staff before training camp started. I don't care who's buddy buddy. Who's friend is who's. I don't care how long they worked together, if one is related to another. Zach Wilson or no, this team has ranked at or near the bottom of every offensive category, for years. Yeah, players are a part of that but so is coaching! Had Hackett et. al. not shit the bed ENTIRELY in Denver you could at least have the argument that Zach Wilson was the entire cause. But that's not the case. Douglas' inability to put the foot down and force Saleh to deal with Hackett and that asshole Carter. I mean, how BAD, does your offensive line have to be before you start firing coaches? Let me stop beating this dead horse... You know, the one thing that no one seems to be talking about is the overall organizational vibe right now. The vibe with guys not named Rodgers, Downing, Douglas or Ulbrich. The lower rungs of the coaching staff. The training staff. The role players. People that fight every single day to keep a job in the NFL. People who aren't entitled bitchy hall of fame players or coaches/GM's that think they know it all. When you fire a coach this early in the season you can only go two ways. Either the team, hell the entire organization, takes their head out their asses or the tent pegs start to fold up. If early indications are anything, we CLEARLY see which direction the team appears to be heading. Look, everyone who reads this board, who is of working age, has probably had to deal with a merger, take over, business not doing well. That tightness across your chest as you go to work not knowing if your job is safe. I've read, in a bunch of different threads, guys mouthing off about firing everyone down to the damn cafeteria server. ALL these people ARE the team. The "vibe in the building." What does the lady, dropping food on a tray, have to do with how Aaron Rodgers reads a defense and throws into triple coverage? TRUST ME, when that vibe permeates every corner of the building it sucks. It also is a sign that the end is near. Hell, if our coaching staff had half a brain, they'd be playing any and ALL young players right now. If only to give a spark to the whole organization! Get some positivity flowing throw the building. If he doesn't start MANAGING the games, you want to shake shit up, bench Rodgers. See what kind of man he is. Is he the leader we all hope he is or will he simply decide he's taken enough of a beating and ride his hall of fame career off into the sunset? I think the next 2 games we're about to find out. One final thought... We've watched 2 years of Breece Hall, Sauce Gardner and Garrett Wilson. We're now working on our 3rd. We KNOW how they CAN perform! There is no more scary a scenario, to me anyway, of watching 3 supremely talented players actually REGRESS because of the culture of this team. Other players in the league see it as well. It's why so many of us sit back and say, "this is where players/coaches come to end their careers." In many coaches cases, end their careers before they actually begin. What I'm seeing is truly disheartening. Those three players, explicitly, should be the future of this franchise. As it is, IF they are here next year, one of the supremely monumental tasks of the incoming regime will be to rebuild the confidence of their young stars. Wood-RUFF Johnson needs to sell this team to remove the stench he's successfully imbedded over the last 20 years. Seeing as that never going to happen all we can do is pray, hope, whatever it is that you do, individually, that this fool gets it correct when he goes to get the new GM and Head Coach.
Its bad man. I thought last year with Rodgers going down in a heap in 5 seconds and the failed Zach Wilson trotting back out on the field before you even got full in your seat could never be topped as far as maddening and frustrating but this year has been impressively high on the soulcrushometer.
Jumping up and down for Corely, who hasn't even sniffed the playing field. In other news. The first sign of a losing organization is the fact that we try to bring in people who are past their prime and over the hill from other places. We can never build from within. It hasn't happened and it won't happen because we're a low class organization.
Agree with a lot of these points The coaching staff has to go. ALL of them. We have talented players and for whatever reason…motivation, coaching, playbook, playcalling, whatever…they are underperforming relative to their talent. I just don’t believe for one second that GW doesn’t know how to run routes. I don’t believe that these OL don’t know how to look for a blitz. They are not being coached right. They are way too sloppy…we must be near the top of the league in stupid pre snap penalties like false starts and illegal formations…that’s coaching not holding players accountable. I was a JD supporter for a while, but I just can’t do it anymore when we are now in year 6. Six!!! And the fact that we. Are talking about a complete tear down AGAIN, when that’s exactly what he did…is just inexcusable. I do think Woody meddles and that’s part of it, and I have ZERO confidence that Woody will find the right people to lead the team, whether it’s a President, Football Ops guy, GM, HC, whatever. He can’t do it. We are in a bad spot and hard to see a way out
While you’re right, you’re not exactly right. In 2002 we started the season 2-5. Herm Edwards famously made his “you play to win the game” speech and we went 7-2 to finish the season. We miraculously won the division in the last game of the season by beating the snot out of GB while NE upset MIA in OT after being down 21-7. I’m not saying it will happen again (I really doubt it), bit it did happen before for us.
While I agree with most of what you said, but don't think you can blame Saleh for Hackett when it wasn't his choice to hire him in the first place....
Will this ever be fixed? I'm taking a big breath from this pathetically disappointing year and looking across for other similar horrible franchises that turned it around to see if there is any hope left for us at all. IMO, it seems not long ago the Detroit Lions were the laughingstock of the NFL after decades of questionable drafts, poor coaching, where nothing was really clicking, great players that got wasted, in short everything bad same as us, except not sure if ownership was also an issue. Yet just like that, after acquiring Goff from the Rams, a little patience in year one, a no shit solid head coach, under the radar complementary drafts with players that actually put it all out there and play as a team. And look at them now. Three solid if not outstanding years and they are arguably the most complete team out there and the only one that could dethrone KC. Are we ever going to get it right? What in the world will it take for us to transition from a bunch of unstructured talent to players that play as a team that want to win? How many more GMs. HCs, and rebuilds is it going to take or are we to give up and accept that this ownership is incapable of putting together a winning professional football team? Got I hate to be a season ticket holder. Fans deserve better, much, much better and time is not on our side.
There's also the Washington Commanders. They've been the league's door mats for many years and now look at them. They found lightning in a bottle in the draft. I don't think it will ever happen to the Jets, but it could.
Can't believe it took until NOW for someone to ask! LOL Well...Wood, being his middle name, I'm almost 100% CERTAIN he gave himself the nickname "Woody." Seriously, the dude is such a rod up his ass tool geek boy that NO ONE would ever give HIM a cool nickname like Woody. "Woody" is the Jock High School QB's nickname. lol!!! So, seeing as he runs this organization about as fucking "RUFF" as can be...I just got Wood-RUFF. Convoluted, I know...
You know, if "we" could get Wood-RUFF to sign, in blood, to keep his meddling hands off the damn running of the team for THREE years I'll bet "we" could lure a hell of a GM/Coach to this team. Complete autonomy, with ZERO ownership meddling (signed in blood remember) and I think the right combo could fix this nightmare. Of course, now I know the season is already over...I'm beginning to fantasize... LOL!!!
That works! But what I don't get is why he would call himself Woody when his last name is Johnson. It's not a cool nickname when your last name is also slang for penis.
Yeah this team has all the indicators of a team that goes through the motions in practice and prep, doesn't really understand or know how to coach, drill, or learn the details, and is full of "me" guys mostly looking out for themselves.
The Jets are quickly approaching worst case scenario in this two year AR experiment. The only thing which has not backfired so far is the Jets not having to give up a 1st Rounder for Rodgers. Everything else has turned out worse than even the most seasoned darksider could have envisioned. Do you have a promising career or a superb legacy you would like to tarnish? If so, drive on down the Turnpike, since the Jets are always interested in killing off careers. It doesn't matter how good you were with your previous team. Once you put on the Jets green, you are guaranteed to suck like you've never sucked before.
It's thoroughly mind-boggling! It might be an interesting Psyche paper for some up and coming Psychology Student if it weren't so damn sad. Exactly "what" is it that an organization can be so "snake bit" as to constantly flit between mediocre and full on out dumpster fire, year after year!?! To have players, that excel on other teams, come here and completely shit the bed. Or, as we've seen lately, our own drafted players leave and miraculously become serviceable to damn good! I'll use the words again... Mind Boggling!
