Mike Williams needs to be on the other side of the 40. We can both agree on that. If he is its a completion and Rodgers leads him down the sideline rather than inside where the safety is. How is this even up for debate? The throw is marked short because of Rodgers adjusting and having to go inside with the throw and redirecting it last minute. I can't believe we are even having this conversation. I will take the word of the HOF QB, Orlovsky who is one of the best at breaking down film, Emmanuel Acho, and Harry Douglas over some internet forum posters who think this is on Rodgers over Mike Williams lmao. I do agree with you that corner at the start of the play did a good job forcing Mike inside. I would have preferred to see an outside release.
You look at Rodgers never really having great weapons around him and you see this situation unfold and you can see the other side of it and why that's the case. He blames Williams, now Williams is getting dragged by everyone. You disagree a little and people say learn ball like Rodgers can never make a mistake . Williams is a good football player. Hopefully Joe Douglas gets something for him, not looking likely though now that he's getting shit on. He'll do well somewhere else. Until then, we can watch more drops from Allen Lazard yay
Rodgers has made plenty of mistakes and is directly at fault for costing us the Vikings game for his turnovers and missing Garrett on the double move late in the game that would have given us the lead. He was atrocious and he held himself accountable in the postgame presser saying he has to play better and turning the ball over 3 times is unacceptable. However, this throw/play wasn't on Rodgers. The film says it. The language they use corresponds with the film. It was on Mike. It isn't up for debate.
Of course it's up for debate. That's internet lingo that unfortunately is not a good thing. At the end of the day even IF I believed it was all Mike Williams' fault that Aaron Rodgers threw a game losing interception, its petty that he's gotta let everyone know he's not at fault. That's poor leadership. The guy is a superbowl champion, making millions, why is he worried about criticism of one play in the Buffalo game?
The idea that Rodgers would’ve delivered a perfect strike throwing even further across the field, falling away and off his back foot seems like a pretty dubious claim. That he was gimping around that entire last drive and made a bad throw seems much more likely.
It seems there are some people here who would have us believe that Williams was supposed to stop at the 19 and wait for the ball to get there.
People will still blame Rodgers for Mike Williams being in the wrong spot https://x.com/snyjets/status/1847340316447084827?s=46&t=4nZ3G00i31W3T11vTMlWNA
Good on him not to make any waves on his way out. I was probably the most vocal person on this board this season against signing him at any type of splurge cost, but this whole "he's a dummy who can't run the right route" take wrap he seems to be getting atm from a lot of people is way too harsh. Especially if/when it's coming from anybody who literally has spent the entire time since this Aaron Rodgers saga began championing for this team to predictably be one of the worst offensively coached teams in the league. Under some fanboy concept belief of their own that keeping Hackett on as OC was gonna be just fine, and we wouldn't need a well coached offense when you have a 40yo Aaron Rodgers QB'ing that football team. Are we allowed to blame that as playing it's own role in why these type of thing keep happening?
About the time that some wag said Rodgers would make the Jets a Super Bowl team. Or maybe that was just a jag.
He’s not a dummy and he certainly can run proper routes, he just didn’t in a crucial moment. He was directed inside by the CB at the line, that’s the issue I have with it. He didn’t make any effort to fight off that CB to get outside leverage. Those are the little things that need to be done to win games.
Well, unsaid point in that being this team is still realistically at least another remaining bad coached season away from having any real chance of consistently getting those little things right. That is ultimately also the price being paid out right now to have Aaron Rodgers as the QB of this football team. There was a clear cut fork in the road choice that was made between having Rodgers as this team's QB in a predictably terrible coached offense, or trying to bring in a legit OC mind and then likely having to pick somebody else out of the FA pool to replace Zach at QB. This franchise choose, with many here wildly cheering it on in support, that former. Until then it is what it is, and that is an offense that is going to remain one of the worst coached in the league. One that puts handicaps on any incoming production we can expect to get out of any players we bring in, and with a constant stream of post game "self inflicted wounds" references that were never going to go away on the offensive side of the ball with just a Saleh firing. This is a poorly coached offensive football team largely by Rodgers' own stubborn design right now. At some point some posters here need to stop running away from that harsh fandom fact and just simply acknowledge it for the damning con factor it is already.
I just don't think there was a fork. Last I checked Woody is the owner of the team, not Rodgers. He should have had the balls to clean coaching house, while keeping the players. I highly doubt Rodgers would have retired. Not after what he went through to get back. Woody could have easily cleaned house and tell Rodgers he will take his input into the new staff. He didn't. As far as why, I think the easiest explanation is the correct one. Woody said we were a QB away. He was simply too dumb to see that it was a lot more than that. Yes, we needed a real starting QB, but our coaching was awful too. These were not mutually exclusive and in fact quite obvious to anyone who was willing to do some critical thinking while assessing the season. Unfortunately, thinking is overrated...
Even if you want to argue that it’s a bad throw by Rodgers, Williams has a chance to either contest for it or prevent the interception if he’s in the right place from the start. Quarterbacks, at least the good ones that we’re not accustomed to seeing, try to throw receivers open. Routes aren’t always cut and dry. They see where the defenders are in a zone and throw it to where they’re not so the receivers adjust to the ball.
Nope. You’re disregarding half my post about throwing guys open to where the defenders are not. If he’s in the right place, he’s in the equivalent spot of catching Rodgers throw as a deep in-cut. Williams clearly throttles down looking for the ball for a reason. And then crosses his feet up because he’s in the wrong spot.
Well said, but to use facts when you argue with someone that wants to blame AR at all costs., is fruitless. As you pointed out, Williams run the wrong route, not going to the red line, a play that AR had to throw while looking elsewhere, AR notices that and tries to compensate and throttles back. End of story. Only thing, wish AR would have remained silent to the media. We are given the media too much information.,
Saleh never chewed anyone out publicly, and that's part of the reason he failed. He is not holding players accountable. Well, Rodgers, who is a captain of the team, did. He was asked a question and gave honest answer. He spoke with Mike in private as well and Mike said he has to correct it. He is being held accountable. I don't see anything wrong there.
