Wide Receivers if the Big Names are Unavailable

Sutton is a $17m+ cap hit the next 2 years. Yeah, that's a negative in my book. Especially when i believe 1 year of OBJ for this hail mary toss up in 2024 would cost us less then half of that.

Where am I glossing over this? I think the better question is why are you not applying that same exact evaluation logic to Sutton's move over to here? Since we ourselves have a worse HC, a worse OC, a probably lesser QB in his age 41 season.

I asked this before to the people clamoring for us to sign or trade for a bigger name WR and got zero direct answers, so I'll ask you again here: If don't gloss over the above yourself there, then by all means go on record and state what you believe Sutton's production #'s would be here as a WR2 in the Hackett offense. What are you saying is worth that $17m+ commitment that isn't better off spent elsewhere?

 

I would probably trade a 4th and a 7th comp pick for Sutton, but I would rather have Corey Davis come back on a cheaper deal out of these 3 guys and then also drafted a WR in round 3. I look at Sutton and Davis as good #3 guys (and OBJ may be #4 at this point).

 

I would not give up a 3d. 4th, sure. But our 3d is pretty high and this is a rich WR and OL class. We might be able to get an IOL starter at that spot on a cheap 4 year deal. Or who knows some of these WRs are so good, we can get top talent in the draft that is comparable to Sutton, perhaps with a small trade-up. 4th is most I would give, perhaps sweeten it a bit with one of these 7th picks. But I think we will need a 3d to either draft a top WR back-up or IOL starter/top back-up.

 

I'm not sure why some are debating on who we sign or trade for. We all know we are only a few days away from securing Marquez Valdes-Scantling on a 2yr $12m deal soon to be followed by AJ Dillion on a 1yr $3.5m deal, and Robert Tonyan/Marcedes Lewis on a 1yr $2m deal. Once Joe (I mean Arod) gets that squared away the focus shifts to Jon Runyan.

In all seriousness, anyone have insight on Yosh Nijman? Played for GB and is among the top 10 FA's at the OT position (according to Mike Clay).

 

Lol......lm sorry, but I have no idea what the F you're talking about.

 

I was essentially referring to the root reason I believe many seem to believe that Sutton is actually a something special type of wide receiver imo. He ended up being a great late round value pick in most fantasy drafts back in 2019 (second year in the league) due to inheriting a fairly large team target share mid season after Denver traded Emmanual Sanders to SF. A more of less stat padded season that tends stick out a lot better in people's minds given fantasy's immense popularity, and the potential for those kind of values to help you win your league. Time does indeed fly though. I'm guessing most of those people don't fully realize that supposed age 24 "break out season" is now going on 5 years old. With 3 straight years in the books now of not looking like the same player post- ACL tear and as somebody who's failed to meet any of the rebound level pre-season projections people still try to put on him every single year since.

I'm honestly surprised he's getting that much buzz here is all. Since all things considered Sutton is basically just another flavor of Corey Davis imo. The kind of volume dependent player that looks a lot more valuable while younger and still on a rookie deal then somebody you ideally want to be paying a big chunk of money to latter on. Is that better then OBJ? Sure. Is it $10m+ more and a #3 or 4 draft pick better then just plugging in OBJ? No imo

I'd be more intrigued overall in the much younger Jeudy.

 

Well since we'd only be signing OBJ to a one-year deal, he's toast, and is only 5'11", his contract should be less than half.

Rodgers at 41 will still be considerrably better than Russell Wilson if our OL doesn't get him injured again. With Rodgers playing, Hack's influence will be greatly lessened. Rodgers basically does what he wants.

Actually, I'd rather sign one of Brown, Davis, Boyd, or Samuels, but I'd take Sutton over OBJ any day.

 

Calvin Ridley would bring this offense to a new level as he would always have to be accounted for, and would create more opportunities for Wilson to get open, he is going to cost a lot though. Boyd is interesting as he put up great numbers as a number 3 receiver and would be a number 2 on the Jets. If Davis comes back, the combination of GW, Boyd, and Davis would be nice. Sutton somehow had 11 TDs last season which is intriguing, if you can't get Ridley or Boyd. Boyd may be the most realistic and best option as far as salary and not giving up draft assets.

 

I would not have an issue here either…I do fully agree we need to hit OL hard in free agency and then at least be in the position to have choices and options at 10…whether that’s take the best OT there, or the best WR there, or trade a few spots down and still get a good OT or WR

 

Yeah, this is where I keep circling back to too. If we are going simply to throw caution to the wind and insist on chasing after this fantasy of 2024 contention, we'd be better off just throwing the bag at Tyron Smith imo. Him realistically staying healthy is about as equally likely as us getting any big investment value out of a WR2 in the Hackett offense. And unlike Sutton Tyron could at least possibily end up being a big make or break factor within said Hackett offensive.

Tyron, OL draft pick, OBJ (or pick your favorite cheaper 1 year flyer upgrade) > spending $17m/per and giving up the extra OL pick for Courtland Sutton

 

I understand why you would say that, but imo that approach would be severely flawed in that depending upon whom you signed and their age/health, you'd probably be looking to replace at least some, if not all of them next year, and you might be in trouble this year depending upon whom you signed. Whom would you sign as the LT? Whom would you sign as the RT and swing OT? Whom are you signing at OG? Also, don't forget that AVT probably isn't going to be ready to play for the first month or so of the season. Who is going to be the other starting OG?

If you wait until the 3rd or 4th round, you might get a decent OG like Christian Mahogany, but at OT in all likelihood, all you'll get is a lower level project. IMO JD needs to draft at least one OT and one OG who can be long-term starters. FAs, especially ones at or over 30 are usually only signed to 1 or 2-year deals.

 

As long as OBJ isn't included, I could get on board with this. I think the Jets have to draft an OT in the 1st round. They can get a WR who can help them this year and going forward at #72, but in all likelihood, not an OT

 

I would definitely sign up for these guys, particularly Corey Davis on the cheap as a 3d WR, but given two choices I am not sure what's better: OBJ and keeping 4th and 7th or Sutton and giving up these picks. I think @Kronoking may have a point here on getting OBJ for perhaps half price of Sutton and keeping the picks. We could even package these two 4s and get a true #2 WR in the draft and use the money difference for a (better) FA.

 

I agree that he has a point about keeping the draft picks, and getting someone cheaper (if possible), but I despise OBJ. I wouldn't have him anywhere near the Jets.

 

I agree that it's unlikely that the Jets draft anything other than an OT at #10, and it should be unlikely. I like signing three of those guys that you mention, and I want Tyron Smith to be one of them, but imo one cannot count on him for an entire season, so there has to be a quality player capable and ready to start. With three of them signed, it would make it easier for the Jets to justify drafting a WR at #10, but I still think it would be a mistake. Fleming is decent, but I wouldn't want to see him starting half the season at LT or being the starter next year at LT. The same goes for Nijman. If the Jets sign Smith, Eluemunor and Nijman, Smith gets hurt, and Nijman proves to be the answer at LT for the forseeable future, great, but that shouldn't be counted upon. I think the Jets still have to draft an OT at #10. I think drafting a WR at #10 would be a big mistake. It's better to have too many good OTs, rather than not enough. If they have Nijman and Fashanu, then the Jets can worry about who will be the starter next season. They have to ensure that the LT spot and the OL are fixed.

The thing is, even if you signed three of the guys you mentioned, the OL isn't fixed or set. As I said, Smith can't be counted on for more than half the season, if that. Hopefully, if he signs here, he will stay health and play all 17 games, but one simply can't rely on that, and imo neither Fleming, nor Nijman are good enough to start for half or 2/3 of the season at LT. Passing on Fashanu to keep one of Nijman or Fleming at LT would be a big mistake. The Jets aren't getting a topnotch OT prospect in the 3rd or 4th round. That's just not happening. They can possibly get a starting OG and/or C, but not OT.

IMO Wes Schweitzer should not be starting in 2024 even for a few games if they can help it. IMO they don't need Odunze or Nabers. That would be a luxury that would be great to have, but would be too risky imo. We have our #1 WR in G. Wilson. I'd much rather sign Tyler Boyd in FA to be the #2 WR, sign T. Smith, a swing OT, an OG like Runyan or Risner, and then draft one of Fashanu at #10 or trade down a little and take Fuaga, and then take a WR at #72.

I can understand why you would want to take a WR at #10. I would too, but unfortunately, JD has screwed the pooch so far on fixing the OL, so that has to take top priority imo.

 

Looks like Denver is in a complete rebuild so I understand all the Sutton talk. Any thought on the Browns scooping Jerry Jeudy for two late round picks? he could have been had and is still on his rookie deal but the 5th year option was picked up for 13M.

Sutton is like a 14-15M cap hit.
Better options out there on prove it deals

I love Tyler Boyd. Veteran who has elite hands and runs crisp routs.

 

Tyler Boyd is whom I want the Jets to sign.

 

Why not?

I concede that a 6th round pick "could" turn into a usable player, maybe even a good-great one if we hit a home run, but the chances of that happening are very unlikely.

I'd have no qualms with giving up a 4th and moving back 30-40 spots late on Day 3 for Sutton.