Not that I think the Jets will end up with either of them, but if you were offered one or the other, which do you choose?
Aiyuk for sure. No assets needed to get him barring a franchise tag from the 49ers and he’s much younger. I also have never been that impressed personally with Aiyuk. He broke out this year and all but the dude is just always so open down the field and I think it’s more scheme than him route running defenders out of their shoes. Would much rather Tee Higgins or Pittman.
I choose neither. Making a significant investment on complimentary #2 WR, that even under the very best case reality scenario just gets extremely under-utilized in the upcoming Hackett train wreck, is ultimately one of the bigger roster construction mistakes we can make this winter. Feeding any more then we already have into this sunk cost fallacy surrounding old man Rodgers is stupid. Nothing about next year is going to realistically break down into "this team was only one piece away!". Outside the effort to address the O-line we need to be taking a more conservative build approach. One that better acknowledges this is NOT a GFIN team or situation. By all means take a cheaper flyer on a WR vet like Boyd or whatnot *if* the price looks right (or hope Corey Davis comes back) and hope you hit there towards the lottery ticket chance of success next year. Otherwise enough with keeping the blinders on in regards to our most likely 2024 outcome. Enough with the cart before the horse crap. Worry about min/maxing in a high profile #2 artillery piece on offense when there is actually a shred of suggestive evidence in place that you might be competent enough to get any real use out of it Get to the organic realization point where it sinks in that Rodgers is NOT going to age into a 41yo Tom Brady clone, and only then reassess these type of future wants/needs with the new OC after Hackett gets fired. There is probably a 99% chance we are going to either want those spent assets or money back and going towards the fallout when that time comes (especially on the money front next offseason when talks about the need to lock up guys like Garrett and Sauce long term start heating up).
Adding a good second receiver is never a bad option so I don’t really get any of this. The 2020 Eagles transformed over two years to the 2022 Eagles has a lot to do with Devonta Smith & AJB aiding Hurts’s development. Same thing with the Bills adding pieces around Josh Allen over the years. The Dolphins adding Tyreek and drafting Waddle. The Lions stockpiling weapons all over the place. The Bengals have two top tier receivers and a former thousand yard guy manning the slot. Your thought, even by itself in calling a second receiver complimentary, is old NFL stuff. Receiver is a premium position with the way the rules are. Just as important as edge, tackle and corner. Whether you want to spend top dollar on one or not is a different question but we’ve failed badly in trying to draft any. So I wouldn’t hate a proven commodity in Higgins/Pittman even at a premium dollar value. Make them cuttable around age 28/29 season.
The niners picked up Aiyuk's 5th year option and his current trade value is listed as a 1st and 5th, and thats to get him for 1 year at 14 million. Word is the Bills might go for that. Personally, he started bitching about his team after losing the SB so I wouldn't want him. And he clearly wouldn't want to come here if the niners aren't good enough for him. In a fantasy world I'd take Adams, though he would cost 21 million this year, and God knows what in trade assets.
I agree although I do wonder how much the Raiders might just want to dump Adams and move on. They’re clearly trying to build a different culture there with Pierce and a receiver who runs shit routes and pouts when he doesn’t get the ball doesn’t fit in with it. Not saying the Jets should do it but I’m wondering if some team gets him cheap-ish as a salary dump. 3rd rounder or so? Adams doesn’t have a long enough shelf life for me to want him here but imagine him on a big time contender?
huh? Taking a cheap flyer is going to result in the same type of weapons or lack therof. It doesn’t make sense NOT to invest in a big time weapon to help out Wilson/Hall…Hackett’s offense be damned, you still have to get as many top tier weapons as you can.
Hurts and Goff both benefited from having top o-lines as much as their receiver core. But I'm with you on the value of a 2nd premium wideout. IMO I'd rather put the resources into oline. I agree with @Kronoking about not wanting to pour too many future resources into this desperate season, though I know it is inevitable. Tyler Boyd might be a better Bengals WR for our needs than Higgins cost wise. And we need a decent slot guy.
O Line HAS to be the #1 priority by far. Especially with the worst OC in football coming back for another season. GASP. That should be a frightening thought for all Jets fans. You could bring Jerry Rice in here in his prime and he'd be handcuffed by another middling Hackett.
It's not a different question there at all. Especially given the context here that we are not 2020 Eagles, or much less the Bills looking to add a piece to Josh Allen. We are the freaking Jets. Currently constructed with an aging out of league QB, a historically terrible OC, and again with zero surrounding indication we can even run a competent offense. Much less utilize such a complimentary piece. Not acknowledging *THAT* imo just amounts to a second helping of the lazy "a 41yo Rodgers at QB will fix the underlying foundation of fail" logic imo. Or maybe a better way to frame this is with an actual acknowledgement from people on what they realistically think a very best case scenario on offense for this team might look like in 2024. Ya know, in a world where Rodgers actually repeats the Tom Brady miracle (after failing to do so last year fwtw) of starving off father time on any further injury/decline, Hackett doesn't end up just being further exposed as a complete fraud with nobody else around to carry him, and in the event we fans don't just end up spending the year moaning about being eternally deprived of even the basic essentials such as competent coaching: It probably ceilings out to look a lot like 2022 Green Bay Packers. A run heavy and run first team with an aging Rodgers as it's game manager. Just without that extra benefit of the Lafleur input, and one who still doesn't end up throwing the ball down field as much. One where a large and constant dose of Breece Hall is likely going to end up #2 on your team in receptions. Under even that upmost ceiling of of projections, how much production and schemed in opportunity value are you realistically expecting to get out of that top shelf level investment? How much of consistent difference does an aging Evans or Shanahan'less Aiyuk even make in the grander scheme of things over one of the much potentially cheaper free agent vet upgrades that might be out there? (outside the extremely unlikely event Hackett gets fired super early on I'd personally take the under on 60 catches as far as the expected production side goes btw)
I've said it before here, and I'll keep saying it again until that day passes. Anybody who thinks that wouldn't start with a pick swap down to #13 after that fleece that was allowed to happen last winter is being delusional imo lol Luckily for everybody I don't think the Raiders trade him tho. They are pretty much right up there with us on the desperation to be relevant scale. I don't think they have it in them to be honest with themselves about where their current chances to actually seriously compete in 2024 resides.
Sad to say but even the Raiders are in better shape than the Jets. Not by much but I think even they have a sunnier outlook at this moment. Pierce really impressed when he took over last season. Players, fans and the whole organization love him. Saleh and the Jets? Not so much.
You can’t really revert to trying to not build a team the correct way because you don’t think it can be coached right. Looking at this from 2025 and 2026, it’d be great to have a top flight combination of two young receivers with differing skill sets regardless of who is quarterbacking the team. And I’m assuming it won’t be Rodgers in those years. Pittman or Higgins are not equal to Davante Adams. You’re getting a solid three years out of those guys even at a premium price. You’re basically saying the Jets should plan to play shell up bullshit football because you don’t trust the coaching staff or management group.
I'm basically saying the best hand to play here isn't the one that insists on pretending to be something we aren't. Just getting to the point this offense can actually execute some consistently effective shell up football will be a major W in itself. I'm not projecting either Pittman and Higgins hit FA this winter. Though I'd again still also have some huge reservations on whether trying to lock them up for future and down the road considerations would actually even make any sense right now. Especially in a role to play Robin to Garrett's Batman, and if/when they come at such hefty commitment price tags that will inevitably bleed over into the Garret Wilson early extension possibility. For me the upgrade #2 WR we bring in should ideally be coming in on a 1 year guarantee deal. 2 at the absolute max. We want more off ramps built in. Not less.
Yeah so you’re saying play free agency and such scared because you want flexibility moving forward. Getting a top flight receiver for three+ years is good whether you think you’re a contender or not when your 2 and 3 are Allan Lazard and Xavier Gipson and you have two top 100 draft picks.
Being "scared" isn't the same as being realistic here imo. And yes, I do want to prioritize maintaining some flexibility going forward with just how razor thin the prospects of having the QB situation figured out and suddenly NOT having it figured out really is atm. Again, this isn't a roster built around 25yo Josh Allen. Rodgers is a very old 41yo in decline QB who we just saw his body give out on him a mere couple plays into last season. As I said earlier we can concern ourselves more about the possibility of min/maxing in a high profile and super expensive #2 artillery piece for 2-3 year down the road considerations when there is actually a shred of suggestive evidence in place that we might be competent enough to get any real use out of it. Until then a 1 year upgrade of say OBJ, who doesn't get $15m again and likely gets squeezed out as re-up option in Baltimore, sounds like a much more reasonable flyer approach towards 2024. Add Rodgers likely pushing for a MVS signing after KC lets him go and you hopefully are left making that WR room work. if Rodgers has anything left in the tank it probably does. If he doesn't it likely doesn't matter regardless. Spend what you have to on upgrading the O-line. Anything beyond that is a far distant second priority, and should have off ramp considerations built in.
I get it, but didn't this s***** CS win three of the last 5 games when the made a QB switch and kept the same OL? Believe me I am no fan of this HC or the OCS but they didn't quit on them so there is that... Stop (talking to JD, RS, Woody) hand wringing and excuses and do you effin job. Sure up the OL JD so we know if this HC is any good (I have my doubts). AS for the QB, none of us know what he has left in the tank, but I would venture to say a hell-of-lot more then the bums we have had for the last three years and IF (big if) he can stay healthy he will change the calls at the LOS; thus, overridding the incomptent OC. Having said all that, I lost faith in this regime in 2023...Woody has, for whatever reasons, decided to run it back with this team... We'll see what these stiffs do during FA and the draft... that will tell us all we need to know what the 24 season will be like...
If the Jets suck and Rodgers leaves, Saleh and JD get fired, it’s not beyond the realm of possibility to turn things around in a season. There are countless examples of this happening and I’m not sure that any of them had the shell of GW/Sauce/Breece/Q/MC2 in place already. So what I’m saying is, it’d be nice to have a really good duo of receivers regardless of what happens next year. What you’re saying is that we should anticipate another huge multi-year “rebuild” and be accepting of that. I’m not. Adding a top flight receiver is a good step for next year and beyond. There aren’t any top flight tackles available in free agency worth busting a huge amount on. Jonah Williams is fine but he’s been apart of some terrible pass blocking lines. There’s maybe one or two really good guards. The offensive line doesn’t need a massive spending spree to be fixed. The Rams transformed their line in one offseason with penny’s and a second round center. You can’t get a top young receiver in FA without spending.
