We've all been saying it already, but worth noting that pseudo-professionals also are: But, given our defense's second half resurgence, is it true that DRob isn't stout enough for NT?
Yes... The teams with the good lines and running games just went right up the middle. Look at the Pats playoff game when they ran that same play 4 straight times and gained like 35 yards doing it.
He's not going to be a great 3-4 end either. He's a bit short for that role. Deflections from the ends often replace sacks in a 3-4 on normal rush downs. On the other hand he's going to be harder for the right tackle and guard to move out of the way on running downs than your typical 3-4 defensive end because of his squat profile and low center of gravity. He'd probably need to play left end on the strong side of the offense and they'd move Ellis to right end on the weak side to rush the passer.
he's stout enough to play NT. i just dont think we should line him up there on obvious running downs. you know, 3rd and inches and stuff like that. although our redzone rundefense was incredible last year. how did our redzone run-defense look like? moore and robertson @ DT. oelhoffen and ellis @ DE right? thats a pretty good formation to play the run @JetsIn2004 thats just NOT true. you cant just take one bad drive or even just a few downs and then say stuff like that. look at how disruptive dewayne was against minnesota. they have the bes LT, LG, C combination in the entire nfl and dewayne just shredded them. he kicked olin kreutz's ass, he kicked dan koppen's ass the first time we played the pats so thats defenitely not the problem. vince porkchop is like 360 lbs or something and he got pushed around by mangold when WE where running down THEIR throats with kevan barlow at RB
Could someone help me out with this one? It sounds like our team is more set up for the 4-3 but yet our coaching staff continues to want to push us into the 3-4. Do I have that right? Why is that? Seriously trying to understand here. Thanks. Mike
thats what we've been saying/thinking since the mangini to the jets rumors started. we're more versatile right now but too many key players (vilma, robertson, ellis) play out of position
I think people get hung up on 3-4 or 4-3 and names for systems... They're not "Pushing" for a system - They are pushing for VERSITILITY. The GOAL is Versitility.... Being able to mix and match defensive fronts and change them from game to game or even play to play, heck, even during the pre snap.. The Pats played 4-3 at times this year.... You want to study the weaknesses of your opponent and then come out and show them stuff that they never saw you do on tape before or at least have them overloaded when looking at tape and all the things your team can bring to the table. So, expect to see Robertson at NT and End and a rotation of players that can play many roles.
lol the doubt in robertsons ability here is amusing. now i think he should be moved if we can find a good replacement for him. and even funnier somoene said hes even undersized for the 4-3. bahahaha im not defending robertson but you guys have a bad case if your trying to critique. does anyone realize that kimo van oldhoffen was a speed bump made of flesh in our run defense this yr? robertson after the CLE game did a great job. if we can find a good replacement at NT we move him over to End and he goes back to penetration instead of containment. even better. if not, we find a very solid prospect at DE and i guarantee itll be better than anything Oldhoffen can get done.
He's really a 4-3 DT. No way he's a nose tackle. A nose tackle needs to clog up the middle almost single handedly (ex.Vince Wilfork) and pretty much be double teamed in a constant basis so the LB's have room to work. DeWayne is a good DT to have in our team, but people are hard on him because he is in fact a 4th overall pick and there are still questions about his game. His best year was when we played the 4-3 and he had Ferguson by his side. Fergie would be double teamed, and DeWayne would dominate the OL going man to man. It's hard adjusting because he's not a true NT.
theres an accuracte analysis. hes not a true NT, but I feel he came along well in the final half of the season. It would be better if we could find a replacement for him and he could move to DE where penetration is a higher priority than containment. but at the same time if we cant find that NT replacement I think alot of problems could be fixed if we found a new DE, Old Hoffen was a large part of our run defense problems
Thats it. I can't remember too many times where we actually lined up in a bonafide 3-4 , it was more of a 4-3 hybrid than 3-4. Personally I would not like to see DR lined up at end. Give him another go at NT or trade him.
no matter how they fancy it up its a case of the infamous square peg in the round hole........ the most important thing in a 3-4 end is the size. the player almost has to be over 6-3 to generate leverage against the guard/tackle combos. i am sure it will not stop the jets from upgrading both the NT and DE positions. jil
We just need to accumulate more talented big bodies for the D-line and work accordingly. Different games and situations will dictate who plays where and in D-Rob's case, I will guarantee that he plays some NT, DT, and DE next year. We shouldn't get all hung up in where exactly he or any other D-Linemen/ OLB's we have will play because it will never be set in stone week to week, play to play. The point is we have to add some new young talent to the d-line and watch Mangini and Sutton go to work.
