If they're picking in the top 5 there is no reason to pass on either of the stud Ts or MHJR who is the best WR prospect since Megatron.
To go that route you'd have to be pretty confident that they don't need to replace that 2nd rounder and they'll be able to acquire enough talent to - FA, trades, and the remaining picks - to fill the holes they have. I'd like to believe that, I just think I can at this point. As a corollary question: if they follow your suggestion, what do you see them doing with Zach? Maybe it's too soon to ask that...it will depend on how he finishes the season. But in your mind, at this point, are you trading him or keeping him? Just curious.
I don't think he's on the roster next year. They trade him or cut him, but I would be shocked if he's on the 53 next year. His tenure as a NYJ should have ended the moment he was benched for Streveler. Both the player, and the regime just need to go in different directions. Maybe they can get a 5th for him? I don't know. I said it in another thread, I think the QB room should be: 1- Rodgers 2- some vet (RT, Brissett, Jameis, Minshew [this is so out not happening]) 3 - Day 3 pick developmental guy who can sit for 2 years. Preferably someone who played 3+ years in college. Basically do what they should have done.. this year with a vet and zach. It's unfortunate they can't have Zach has the QB3 next year because the timelines don't match anymore. You keep him as QB3, for what? To learn and just let him walk? Nope. Just to add to this-- Getting a vet to be the backup when most of the time they want to go to a team where they can have a chance to play is difficult. It's like you have to sell the backup on coming to your team kind of. If Rodgers only gives us 2024 and hangs it up, you could probably get one of these guys as a stopgap for a year and go into 2025 with the vet you signed to be your back up in 2024, the day 3 developmental kid and another rookie to compete for the BU job or wait until 2026.
I’m not missing the point in the slightest. I just made my viewpoint very clearly. I think it was a lot more of a debate as to whether or not to keep Darnold, give him another year or so and build the roster up at that point than it is with Wilson. The Jets would be rather nuts to give Rodgers next year and then try to start Wilson again in 2025 because he played well against the Texans in 2023 and the Titans in 2021.
Outside of JD’s drafting grades (some shit, some great), I don’t think I’d say that Sauce and GW were no brainers where we picked them. They were great prospects, yes, and if that’s what you mean then I agree. But there were options. At 4, I was thinking we’d take either the OT Ekwon or Charles Cross, or at DE Thibodeaux, who were also both highly rated at positions which arguably were greater needs for us than CB. Also, at 10 there were a few really good WR prospects as well besides GW, like Olive and Jameson Williams, Jahan Dotson, etc. Most of those guys all turned out pretty damn well but I do give JD credit for these picks…maybe you can say hey it was obvious that they were going to be good, but he handpicked the Offensive and Defensive rookies of the year. That’s impressive and it’s only happened once, maybe twice before in the history of the league. So I wouldn’t necessarily characterize his draft as no-brainers…also trading up for JJ didn’t look as great last year but looks much better this year. Of course, his first draft was a total bust, so agree that it’s always a risk, but then no GM bats 1.000
This would be typical Jets move and we will be rebuilding and looking for a franchise QB again. There is no way Rodgers plays past next season. I doubt he makes it through next season healthy.
It depends on the situation. My preference would be to take top rate OT. However, if I can move a few spots back for someone to take a QB and still end up with nearly as good blue chip OT prospect, I would do it. I would not trade back too far though, where there likely won't be any blue chip OTs available. Also, if Harrison Jr is there at our pick, he would be really hard to pass up. I do agree though on one thing: Zach right now has entered Sam territory, where he can perhaps get a second contract as a back-up. Depending on how the rest of the year goes, things could be different. However, I do think that Zach's youth (still just 24), the improvement from before, and flashes of amazing play will guarantee one of two things: we are able to get some value in a trade or we actually keep him as a back-up if he can have a few more games anywhere near to what he just had. I know that's a tall order to do without OLine, but let's see how it plays out. I doubt he is getting waived though: at this point I think he is a serviceable back up and only owed 5.5 more mil, which we would have to eat if we waive him. Just not worth doing it to save a roster spot.
Well the thing about the whole situation is that I don’t think that what happens with Wilson should dictate anything they do in the draft. For better or worse we’re stuck with Rodgers next year. We can definitely grab a QB, but we need to get out of this mentality that we’ve had with Darnold & Wilson where we force the pick. Getting a good tackle or receiver helps the franchise a ton for whoever the QB is in 2025.
Well while I would love MHJR or one of the tackles, taking one of the stud QB is a great reason. I don’t think we will be picking in top 5 tho so point is moot.
You can count me as one of those that was pounding the table to keep Darnold and trade that pick for the three first rounders that went to Miami instead. That was the clear move imo, although I never hated Zach and am almost surprised at how bad he’s been. With Darnold it was obvious his decline was part and parcel to a regime change that endorsed Gase while tearing down a team with an antiquated strategy that was not going to be QB friendly. Took away any weapons he had, failed to improve the OL, and took a good D and made it one of league worst. Also replaced his mentor with Flacco (the antithesis of mentor) and endorsed Gase and Logains for another year. No QB was gonna do well in that scenario. Three first round picks could’ve gone a long way in rebuilding that O around him tho, and worst case scenario we’d still end up with Rodgers and a better team. We are in a different spot now. Zach has gotta go. This season and his performance was a disaster, with a much better scenario than a tanking team. If you have a chance to take a top QB in this good class, take it and let him learn behind Rodgers for what will likely be one year, two at max. And on a team with a good D. That’s a great way to develop a QB. If we don’t draft a QB I think we back looking for a FA option as starter in 2025, but with no cap space to afford one.
I should have posted this here. For those of you complaining I did not pit Sam's second year Yrds compl % TD int YPG Rating QBR 3024 61.9 19 13 232 84.3 45 Looked promising Fourth Year Yrds TD INT YPG Rating QBR 2527 9 13 210 71.9 33.2 It looks like Sam Peaked year 2. I just think the Jets destroyed another young QB. If Sam gets another chance I think he will do well but he was trending downward.
Zach game by Game Plus and Minus, Neutral + Bills- Comes in off the bench plays decent Jets win 140 yards 66.7% - Dallas- Jets get blown out Zach plays ok first half but will give negative 170 yds 44% compl - NE plays way to conservatively misses open guys 157 yds 55% + KC makes some big time throws brings us back from 17 down get screwed by Refs 245 yds 71% N I will give Denver Neutral leaning toward Positive could not get the ball in the end zone- 200 yds 73% N Philly Played a clean game no TDs but no Pics 186 yards 57% + NYG - Played in a monsoon and 24 second Zach was born to win the game stats are not great but film looked good- 240 yards 47% +/N I do not remember the details of this game but stats look good 263 yds 67% completion N/- LVR I think he played ok big pic cost us but his play was mostly neutral. 263 yds 59% - Buffalo Kid played scared this game and was tough to watch which led to his benching 81 yds 46% comp + Houston The kid started off rough in Dallas and NE but was trending upward. He was making young QB mistakes but the criticism leading up to the Bills game was a bit unwarranted IMHO. The game against Houston was coming as Rex Ryan said the kid will get better a little by little and that is what he was doing (Until Buffalo). From KC to Buffalo he only threw for less than 200 yds one time. The big criticism of Zach this season was/is TD passes or TD drives in general. The narrative of a typical Zach Wilson game looking like the first Bills game stats is just a false narrative this season.
Douglas landing a 2nd and 4th for Sammie was a big part of the reason we traded him. If Douglas can only land a 5th for Zach, maybe he keeps him. We already have Rodgers under center for at least the next season, so were basically debating what to do for a BU QB.
Wilson is exactly what you dont want in a backup QB. Inconsistent and unreliable If the plan is to roll with Rodgers again at starter, its clear you need a backup QB upgrade as well. Then what is the point of keeping Wilson as a 3rd stringer? Trading him (if possible) is the right move but if nobody offers anything, you cut him loose and wish him well
I hated Sam in year 3. I remember I was done with him week 3 against the colts. but I remember his rookie year and going into year 2 - there was the feeling they have THE QB and they ruined him with Adam gase
