Thanks to @cval for digging up these stats and posting them in another thread. Sam vs Zach stats year 3 Sam Yards TD int Comp% Y/A y/g rating QBR 2208 9 11 59.6 6.1 184 72.7 32.9 Zach Yards TD int Comp% Y/A y/g rating QBR 2,245 8 7 60.8 6.3 204 78.2 32.2 Pretty close Zach is actually a little better and we got a second for Sam I believe? The problem with Sam is that he was regressing as Zach is getting better. ********************************************************************************************* This made me wonder: There were quite a few here who were banging the table to keep Sam and trade the #2 pick for a ransom. Many/most of these posters have been anti-Zach from the moment the pick was made. Now here we are again with a possible re-do. If the Jets "earn" a pick high enough to get a consensus high rated QB in the draft, do they keep the pick and take another swing at a young QB, or do they trade it for a king's ransom? Here's your chance for a do over. A couple of things to consider: - When the Jets took Zach they had already gotten rid of Sam and had no active starting QB. We don't know if that will be the case again this time yet. - When they drafted Zach they had just gotten rid of a terrible CS that failed to help Sam. If they decide to keep Saleh and his CS, does that affect your decision?
It is a silly comparison because Darnold's year 3 was clearly a bad season. The year before he went 7-6 with over 20 touchdowns. That smokes any season output for Wilson. Carolina traded for that guy as a redemption project. You are taking Darnold's very worst season and putting it against Zach Wilson's very best. But they are both rough performances, yes. We will have to pray that someone gives us a 2nd rounder for Wilson but that would be awesome
Right now, Sam ismaybe on his way to a SB via 49ners where he earned the right to be the BQB. and as BN states, 20 TDs ZW hasn't sniffed that....
Hard to vote on this. I don't really see any option where they should trade their 2024 1st. If they pick 2nd, you take Maye. I think they will win a few more games and will remain in the top 10 but not in the top 5 for Alt or Fashanu. Latham from Bama Mims from UGA The kid T from Oregon St Will all be there when we pick and then you have WRs like Coleman or Odunze. Nabers will probably be gone when we pick.
Caroline literally traded for Sam to be their starter. I don't think anyone is doing that with Zach. Zach had one good half. What he does the rest of the season is still a big question. But this also creates a paradox. If Zach does better and we win games our pick wont be top 5. If he doesn't and we lose out his value will be small. It is highly unlikely that our pick this year will be worth what the second overall was in 2021. So I wouldn't count on a boatload of high picks, but maybe of mid rounders. Either way - you trade down and get the picks.
It doesn't really matter what the stats are, does it? Both QBs were being widely criticized in Year 3, with most fans saying they need to be replaced with a newly drafted one. THAT's where the similarity is.
The poll is asking you to decide if you would trade their 2024 1st round pick - I assumed that was clear.
LOL.... big difference is that there were extended periods prior where most of the fans base thought 1 of those 2 was "the guy"
After year 2 many here were convinced Sam was better than Allen. After year 2 with Zach we weren't convinced he was better than Mike White.
This is a conundrum. Of course we do not know where we will pick or whom will be available. But, to try to answer, In principle I want the best O-Line option we can achieve with that first rounder. I suspect that might be keeping the pick where it lands. I hope Alt is available. If he has gone, maybe trade back for a late first, mid second combo and take BPA O-Line with both picks.
Saleh should shut Wilson down now. A "mystery injury" gives us the best of both worlds: his last performance can be used in trade conversations and the Jets can still tank without his trade value taking a hit
This regime IS coming back next year and I find it highly unlikely that they'll draft a QB in the 1st. At this point, it's also unlikely we're in a position to pick either Caleb Williams or Drake Maye. Maybe we could take Jayden Daniels depending on how the rest of the season plays out but after that, I'm not taking any of these other QBs in the 1st (maybe Penix but his injury history scares me as a 1st round prospect). As great as it'll be to get Rodgers back nest year, we're still in desperate need of a few more guys on the OL and at least 1 more WR (preferably a solid WR1/2 type of player). If we get up to the 4-5 range, I would trade back if someone wants to come up. The only caveat I have is that if we somehow get up to 3 or when we're on the clock Marvin Harrison Jr. is available, I'd take him in a heartbeat. I think that dude is gonna be special.
Sam Darnold plus all the talent we should have gotten by trading the second pick instead of wasting it on Zach Wilson is better than Zach Wilson.
Yeah literally the definition of cherry picking haha. Darnold was also handing off to Frank Gore and throwing to his lead target Jameson Crowder and stud tightend Chris Herndon with Adam Gase calling the plays. Argue whatever you want, but Wilson has a better supporting cast here and now. Everyone agreed Gase was the spawn of satan back then.
Again, the point of this thread and poll isn't to determine or make an argument about who was better. We've had ample discussion about that, and no one has changed their mind. THIS thread's intent is to see what people would prefer to do in this upcoming draft if the Jets wind up with a high enough pick to take a consensus "can't miss" QB. That's virtually the same situation they were in leading up to the draft they took Zach in. it's a kind of do over. And in this discussion, hindsight is allowable. After all if you can't learn from the past you won't learn. For myself, knowing what I know now, and seeing how the Jets not only screwed up Darnold (another in a long line of QBs they screwed up), and then Zach, I'm firmly in favor of trading the pick for a bunch of assets if offered. If they're in the Top 5 pick range they ought to get a pretty good package for that. The idea of keeping a Top 5 pick and turning down multiple high picks to draft even a great WR or T doesn't seem like the right move given they still have multiple holes and no 2nd rounder, but if there were a WR/OL that great maybe I'd consider it. Anyway, THAT'S the point of this thread.
I think this is a two horse race between keeping it and taking a QB and trading down for more picks. There are compelling arguments for doing both. On one hand, we only have a couple years of Rodgers max, and we won't be picking as high as we will this year. With that in mind, this is our best chance to get a QB of the future. On the other hand, there's a chance we can make a playoff run next year if we trade down and hit on both first rounders we get in the trade. I'm not so confident we will hit on both of them though. Douglas has a shoddy record on first rounders other than ones who were no brainers like Sauce and G Wilson. My lean is to keep the pick and take a QB, but it's not a strong lean.
Well the point of the thread shouldn’t just use a single year of data. Sam netted a decent draft haul because he had three years of a body of work and a significantly worse supporting cast and we can call the coaching pitfalls a wash if you’d like. You’re insinuating that the judgement was on the final season which Wilson was slightly better in. I think it was a lot more debatable as to what to do with Darnold. He showed a lot more with a lot less over the several seasons. We also aren’t going to be picking in position to get either of the top two QB’s so I think it’s somewhat irrelevant.
Again you're missing the point. It's not about just the stats, or who had the better coaching and talent around him. I'm going back and asking people to remember how they felt - when the run up to trading Sam happened and then the draft. And I'm likening that situation to what might well unfold this offseason. It's not to say who was better, who had more talent/coaching, etc. In a way it's like asking: if you had a chance to do it the same or differently, what would you do? Well here we have two QBs who many/most fans were/are ready to move on from, and we might well have a shot at a highly rated QB (or OT/WR), but we would also presumably be offered a lot for our pick - the same situation we had 3 years ago. That's the similarity, NOT trying to compare the QBs, just the situation and would you now choose differently.
