To me Zach is more like Jordan Love type of prospect in the sense where he is young coming from non P5 conference hasn't faced great competition, but has excellent ability and potential. JD simply fucked up by not getting a veteran to start in front of him. He fucked up again by not getting a solid vet behind Rodgers so that Zach can have a redshirt year. And fucked up again and again and again by always having shitty lines as long as he has been here. The way I see it, JD didn't do Zach any favors. People say Zach got so many opportunities to start, but what good are these opportunities if the guy is not ready to play behind any O line, not to mention a terrible one? Again, I don't know if Zach would have been a better player today if he sat, but at the very least we can state that these 1st two years, where Zach, who wasn't ready to play, had to play, and he sucked, are meaningless in determining what to do with him next. Fast forward to year 3 - the reset year. He took a step forward to where I think he is an average back-up now. An average back-up behind shit OLine is not going to do very well. Yes, yesterday was Joe Burrow like performance, but Zach would need to string a few of these together, which is very hard to do. As far as what to do with him next, let's see how he plays for the remaining games, however many he has left. If he does decent, it would be a good problem to have as we would have some solid options whether to keep him or get a decent value in a trade.
the sitting to learn is extremely rare in todays NFL. teams want high picks in right away. jets also had flacco for zachs 1st 2 seasons. you have to account for the cap as well. with rodgers and zach we are at 50ish mil per season against the cap. makes it really hard to sign someone who would be decent. the top paid backup QBs are around 6-8mil a year.
They had the guy and they let him walk out the door to Miami. He signed a 2yr/8m dollar deal. 4.5 for the first year. They didn't need Cook. They traded Hardman. The money was there. They were afraid of him hurting zachs feelings and confidence.
again players are people. I've already explained this. white didn't want to stay here. he grew up a dolphins fan and is from Florida and went to college there. He got the chance to be the undisputed QB2 behind an injury prone QB who hasn't played a full season in 4 years, with hill and waddle to throw to. here he would have to battle for the backup job, in a worse offense, behind a HOFer and a former 2OA pick and have just GW to throw to. on top of that white signed in march. we didn't have money in march. we needed room to complete the rodgers trade which was finished at the end of april about 5-6 weeks later. rodgers had to restructure with GB to make room to fit on the team before the trade. then we needed to restructure him again after he got here and he took a paycut. after all that was done, and some other restructures we were able to have a little extra money which we wound up using on cook. hardman was signed to replace berrios as the returner/WR4 he had a big role, he wasn't going to be a backup. he just had his job taken by an UDFA which can't be predicted. IDK why fans just always assume we could have done X or Y. GMs need to plan ahead and the main thing we needed this offseason was an upgrade at QB and we were going after rodgers to fill that need. you also way overrate mike white. the last 3 games he played for us was pretty rough.
I know it is hard, but there were two opportunities: once when he was signed, and second time when he basically tanked and needed a reset after year two. When JD got Flacco the 1st year, Zach was already a starter. He traded for him during the regular season. And the second time he signed Boyle and Siemian. Basically JD didn't learn at all and repeated the same mistake.
i mean he still got flacco a couple of weeks into the season. lets not forget we also had knapp we brought on to help develop zach his rookie year who sadly died before the season started. in zachs year 2 he still had flacco. in zachs year 3 he was set to sit behind rodgers to learn. you don't really have a leg to stand on here. zachs pretty much also had a veteran who's won a SB. we also hired jordan palmer for him who was his personal QB coach
You may have misunderstood. I am not excusing Zach. He wasn't ready to play and he played poorly 1st two seasons whether he has a QB coach or not. But a good GM should have known that we have a guy from non P5 conference who needs to sit and learn from the get go, like Jordan Love, and he should have brought a veteran in right away to start, not traded for one mid-season after Zach was already named a starter. He then repeated the same mistake by not getting a decent back-up to Rodgers when it was clear to everyone Zach needed a red-shirt year. This is not about Zach, but the team would have been better off if Zach sat and a better player started. And if the OLine was good. The Zach would have come in when he was truly ready behind a good OLine. JD just dropped the ball again and again and as a result we are going to miss play-offs 5 out of 5 years with him as a GM.
And right here is my problem with the whole Wilson situation - NOTHING IS EVER HIS FAULT. Two and a half years of incredibly abysmal football, and none of it is on him. It’s all the fault of (insert name here). I’ve watched him. Every game. For two and a half years. He stinks.
the best way to judge a QB is to let them play though. nothing can make up for actual experience. if your willing to sacrifice a season and call it a rebuild no reason to not let them start. otherwise if carolina didn't they may not have changed coaches. they could have started dalton. he looked good in his 1 game for them this season. but they want young to get experiance. same thing with stroud, nobody would have seen how good he is. Love is a different case, they had a HOF SB winning QB already who then went on to have back to back MVP season. they were also already a playoff team. almost every high pick QB starts right away these days with very few exceptions.
Stroud faced the best of the best in College football and should have won NT in a huge Georgia upset if his kicker did his job. Zach had nowhere near this experience. Without a good OLine and no time to sit, it was tough for us to win with him starting. He is finally figuring it out this year to at least start playing like a decent back-up in the 3d year, but we lost so many games in the process. And even now it's a miracle we put so many points yesterday even with Zach playing well. The OLine still sucks and greatly hampers any QB that played. To me all this losing is mostly on JD. He is just not putting his coaches and QBs in position to succeed.
even facing the best in college is noting like the NFL. the jump from the top college team to the worst NFL is massive. the playbooks are much bigger and more complicated. defenses are smarter. the o-line still sucks because injuries haven't allowed us to see how the line would be. we didn't look bad at all weeks 3-5. we've started 11 different o-line combinations in 13 games. thats redicilous. but if you remember back in 2020 we had decisions to make on darnold. we decided to give him 1 more year and draft o-line, this way if he doesn't make it, at least we are building a line. most fans liked that approach. the 2020 Qbs (1st 2 rounds) were burrow, herbert, tua, love and hurts. the 2021 Qbs were lawerence, zach, lance, fields, jones, trask. we would have been much better off taking a QB in 2020. every draft is different. there is no 1 right answer
QBs can learn by sitting, hell the Jets team savior Aaron Rodgers is example no.1 you gotta want to learn though.. idk if the young man from Utah does
sometimes you say some really insane shit. any QB like that gets leaked. hence the murray COD memes and manzeil and jamarcus, etc etc players don't like when other players don't give a fuck and don't even try.
correct. Which is why the players rallied around Wilson’s replacement last year. warts or not, Mike White certainly gave a fuck
