It wasn't unlucky though. A smart franchise would've done everything possible to intentionally lose. That's why the Jaguars benched Minshew that year - because he was playing too well. His stats that season were 66% completion with 16 TDs and 5 INTs.
I don't buy that everyone in the Panthers building wanted Stroud. Sounds like a bunch of backstabbers trying to cover their asses to me. Almost nobody had Stroud as QB1 at the time of the draft; I heard more people saying Stroud shouldn't be a top 10 pick than saying he should have gone first overall.
Read it again - I didn't say anything about socializing with the players - not sure where you got that from unless you mistook "peers" for players. On a more basic level I disagree that, except on rare occasions previously identified, Johnson has been prone to meddling in his own business; I believe he is well aware he is not equipped to run the football side of the operation and relies on his GM, head coach and their staffs to accomplish that. Unfortunately he doesn't seem to have ever brought the right people on board to get that done successfully. If he was involved to the level you surmise, the cadre of reporters who cover the team would have that sniffed out and documented.
My bad, definitely missed took peers for players. And I'm also not saying he meddles regularly, I pointed to three obvious occasions, all of which involve the same type of meddling and ended up with the same disastrous results.
I think the consensus here is that Johnson's involvement with Tebow, Favre and Rodgers has had more to do with marketing than with winning games.
No one is disputing that, including me. Winning to him is a way to make more money, I don't disagree with that whatsoever. Doesn't change the fact that he sticks his nose into the business at bad times and alters the course of the franchise. I think we can probably end this debate here and both agree that he sucks and shouldn't be the owner of an NFL team.
No, no, no guys, you're thinking about this all wrong. If you apply logic it's one of 2 things that keeps this franchise down Either A) We are cursed and have to figure out which curse it is so we can do the proper rituals to get rid of the hex OR B) We are in a simulation that is on repeat, and we've flashed back to 99. So well get an established coach, next year, build a good foundation, build hope and have another 15 years of shit play
It's my fault.... the night before the JETS beat the Rams, I got a text from a buddy who's a big JAGS fan, asking what I was up to.... "Just sitting here watching my future QB ball out" (I was watching the Clemson game).... DOH! apparently my superpowers only work in the name of evil!
There isn't a workaround. We are quite simply stuck with him until he decides he wants to sell the team, which is probably never. The only thing we can do is hope he somehow lucks into the right guy whether that's a GM or a VP of football operations, who can turn things around an catch a lucky Super Bowl win. I think it's been proven we have no chance of sustained success with him.
.433 since Woody bought the team. Coaches with better win rates than Woody: Herm, Mangini, Rex. Coaches with worse win rates than Woody: Bowles, Gase, Saleh. Looks like the more Woody hires, the worse it gets.
It has the feeling in the 2000’s like Woody really wasn’t making too many football decisions and we still have ripple effects from having an actual football guy in Parcells running the show. A lot of his people all the way up to Tannenbaum were still here. And now it feels like Woody and his yes men are making football decisions including who to hire and what not.
And yet, a whole bunch of folks on this forum are sure he'll hire a better GM and coaching staff this time....
100% facts . Parcells did a complete culture change which lasted for a long time. That affect has been gone for quite a while, and it's really not much of a coincidence that we've been in the same cycle for a decade.
you make your own luck to an extent but what I mean is with the Jets it just feels like regardless of who they put in or what calls they made something would have happened to result in them winning - a fluke interception, someone suddenly playing like a HOFer etc. - there was just no way the Jets wouldn't win that game because they are such a crappy and cursed organisation that even when they win they lose
See how the OL deteriorated from the later Rex seasons on and the picture becomes a bit more clear. Owner can’t stop meddling. GM’s fail in the draft. We either pick bad quarterbacks or ruin ones with good potential. A good OL can mitigate a lot of that crap. We picked 2 foundational beasts that played for a long time and we drafted/signed average to very good talent to work with them until the later years in their careers. Their declines exposed some of the people around them towards the end and the team has never recovered. They were competitive with good OL play - for a long stretch at that. Never good enough, but a respectable franchise that you couldn’t automatically check off as a W. Theres only a handful of QB’s out there who could make the current situation work. Maybe twice that who could keep the team competitive. After that it’s pick your poison regarding how the QB would implode. Can’t get rid of Woody but everyone else is expendable. Build the OL into what it once was. I don’t care if DL’s are better than they’ve ever been. Things shift in the NFL. Protecting your QB will never go out of style.
