Thats why I’m so confused lol. I never said he should have ran to throw it either. The ball was snapped at the 25 and the only guy engaged is 83/87/89 i can’t tell but he’s right at the LOS. The other guys are downfield but if Zach took off they’re allowed to be because he’s running.
it's not a running play until he crosses the LOS. he's 3 yards back from it. 2 lineman are 1 step away from a flag. no way zach can clear 3 yards before the lineman take 1 step. your really gonna argue something your clearly wrong about?
"If he didn't have the IQ of a doorknob he would have seen the defenders back and seen he could have just ran up the HBs ass for 20 yards." now he can't. they were already downfield. he has to cross the LOS for it to become a run play. he's 3 yards behind it and 2 lineman are 1 step away from a penalty.
except if he ran it's a 5 yard penalty and called back and you are calling him a bonehead anyway lol can't you ever admit when your clearly wrong? maybe you will when someone you don't hate tells you that you are wrong here @Jonathan_Vilma usually knows the rules pretty well so lets see
I mean this in the most respectful way possible. What the hell are you talking about? If he took off and ran what does it matter if the linemen are downfield? I’m not even trying to be a dick. I’m genuinely confused what you are talking about. The only guy engaged at the point is 83/87/89 (i can’t tell) and that guy is behind the LOS. What's the difference between him taking off at that point vs an OL getting 3 yards upfield and engaging with a LB or safety on a designed run?
it's the NFL rules. the rule was to balance out the chess match between offense and defense. if the LBers see a lineman downfield they know it's a run play and don't have to defend the pass anymore. the lineman are allowed 1 yard downfield on a pass play then they have to make contact with a defender or it's a flag. a screen is timed to get the ball out before the lineman passes the 1 yard mark so they can run block with a head start. it's still a pass play until zach gets beyond the LOS. it's impossible for him to cover the yards before the lineman because ineligible downfield. that results in a flag for 5 yards and replay the down. zach had no choice here. either dirt it and give the down up or take a flag and replay it with a loss of 5. running wasn't an option here lol funny how you always say others can't admit when they are wrong but look at you go
It's not a run play though if he takes off is what Baldy is saying and how I'm understanding his video. The OL can be 99 yards downfield as long as zach takes off, correct? Does it matter how long it takes zach to cross the LOS? Is that why it would be illegal man downfield (still never heard of this penalty on a running play in my life)? So basically an OL cannot get to the second level then until the ball passes the LOS?
I don’t really know what you’re talking about or how Baldy is wrong. Wilson can and probably should’ve ran the ball on a busted screen with no pressure and a mile of open grass there. How would that ever be called illegal man downfield if he runs the ball?
The refs can’t say oh it looks like it was a designed pass but he ran so it’s illegal man downfield because of what the play appeared to be lol.
not correct. as long as he's behind the LOS on a designed pass (which is was) it's still a pass play. doesn't become a run until he crosses the LOS. if the 2 lineman stop and wait for him to cross the line and then move downfield there would be no flag but thats not what happens. lineman have their job and are expecting the ball to be out on time. if it was a designed run (QB draw) then they can be downfield as long as they want it's for balance. thats why when you see Qbs scramble the LBers need to make a decision to go after the QB or stay in coverage. once they QB crosses the LOS he becomes a runner and can't pass (or it's an illegal foward pass) and they can fully commit to the QB without fear of him throwing the ball over their head. otherwise the QB can fake a run and sya it's a run play now, then stop at the LOS and launch downfield to a wide open WR because the o-line blocked the CB out of the play
What are you talking about? The entire offensive line can run 40 yards downfield while the QB drops back to pass. And if he doesn’t attempt a forward pass it can’t be illegal man downfield. How could it be? The referees are judging intent of a play now?
Sometimes they will call ineligible man downfield on "designed runs", you see that from time to time. The running back goes the wrong way or something so there's no handoff. All the linemen are downfield blocking for the run and the QB in desperation throws a ball downfield. Then its a penalty But never in the opposite scenario that confusedgased is describing - a designed pass where the QB runs, because the key to the rule is a pass needs to be thrown.
because he's still an eligible passer until he crosses the LOS. the penalty is called as soon as the lineman passes the neutral zone and the QB has the ball as an eligible passer. thats why if he's tackled there it's a sack and not a TFL and all QB protection rules are in play because he isn't a runner yet. here is the other funny part. it's just a crazy idea that I scoured the internet to find a case where a QB ever took ff running on a broken screen and couldn't find a single example. didn't you say you played QB? I haven't and even I know you always dirt the ball on a broken screen. thats how the play is coached/designed.
No, I never played QB. You’ve never seen a QB run on a broken screen pass? With all the football you claim you’ve watched, that’s wild. Everyone’s an eligible passer behind the LOS as long as a pass hasn’t been thrown and they’re an eligible number. So Idunno what you’re talking about.
you do have a point there. thats why it goes by positioning. a QB in the pocket has different rules then a QB outside the pocket for example. I can't find a single example of a QB taking off on a screen and the rule book is real muddy on this. been looking through it. you may be right here, i'm going to keep digging because I want the right answer so if i'm wrong I learn something. but still asking a QB to do something that I literally can't find a single example of ever happening and goes against all coaching is absurd.
