Zach Wilson vs Raiders: A Breakdown

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  1. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    What if the Jets go another 1st half without a touchdown. How can you possibly bring Wilson out for the 2nd half
     
  2. Nyjets4eva

    Nyjets4eva Well-Known Member

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    Saleh has been doing it for 2 years won’t be hard he has no idea what he’s doing
     
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  3. The_Darksider

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    Boyle is probably total trash, but Siemian is a pro who could likely run the offense better for one reason: speed. No, not running speed, not release time, but processing time.

    Wilson's biggest and most glaring issue in my mind is that nanosecond longer it takes him to recognize what's going on before he throws the ball. It's the reason his receivers are at risk for broken ribs on many of their catches, it's the reason he rarely hits guys in stride, and it's the reason the offense looks out of sync so often.

    How many replays do we see where he didn't throw the ball until the intended receiver completed his turn, or on a longer throw until the receiver showed some separation? A lot. And if he processed what he was seeing just a split second faster, he throws to a spot rather than to his receiver, and he completes a lot more mid-range passes. You can also almost guarantee that the line would look better too if that tiny window of extra time for them to hold protection didn't exist.

    OK I'm rambling, here's the point: the reason just about any QB who can process the field at a normal speed would make this offense look better (and it's happened multiple times over the past two years) is that much of the above would be instantly rectified. Receivers would get the ball on time, the line wouldn't have to work so hard, and the offense would naturally look more fluid. Siemian would almost certainly be able to do that. He would make this a below average offense almost immediately, and unfortunately, below average is a monster improvement.

    I don't buy for one second that whole "so and so would get killed behind this line, at least Zach is mobile" kind of thinking. The line has shown that it can pass protect for a close-to-average length of time, and if there's a QB back there who can make throws, it would do a much better job run blocking as well. Anyone who feels differently completely underestimates how much of a difference a split second makes in the NFL.

    Agreed that it's not nearly all Zach's fault as your boy the bum does him NO favors with play calling and especially game planning. If you know you have a guy who needs an instant longer to see what's going on, more quick plays should be designed to compensate. But God forbid the Jets organization plays to the strengths or compensates for the weaknesses of its players - why would they wanna do that???
     
  4. Acad23

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    They both trash...

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  5. The_Darksider

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    You forgot to post the TDs.
     
  6. Acad23

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    They had TD's?
     
  7. Jets81

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    Rogers was probably going to get injured regardless, season ending type or not. He’s less mobile than Wilson and although he’d make better calls/protections, be more accurate, and get rid of the ball faster, he’d be launching plenty into the stands with this group of WR’s as well as taking some blind side hits.

    Also, Wilson didn’t lose the locker room this season because he never really had it. These guys have memories and it takes a winning season to wash away the stink of the previous one. More in this case because they have to win and he has to prove he can lead the team to points with some consistency. All he’s proven is that he’s a good athlete and that he and the offense excel at choking at important times (3rd down, Red Zone).
     
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    Participation trophies all around!
     
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  9. The_Darksider

    The_Darksider Well-Known Member

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    This. The difference is, this year the team knows there's no other choice, or at least there wasn't at the beginning of the season, and he's not being a dick to them. They are tolerating him for that reason and being good teammates, but it's starting to unravel a little bit.
     
  10. JETFUEL1580

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    By "What" you really meant "When" correct?
     
  11. ColoradoContrails

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    I don't agree with inserting Siemian just yet, but I do mostly agree with your take on the need for Zach to improve his processing speed, and I believe that most of his mistakes come when he doesn't process fast enough given the situation: pass protection time, coverage, etc..

    What I don't know if this shortcoming is something that can be improved by playing more and being exposed to the faster speeds, or if "processing time" is an inherent trait, like foot speed or twitchiness. If the latter - as some here have claimed - then there is really no hope that Zach will ever become more than a decent backup at best. If the former, then he could yet develop into a good starting QB. I honestly don't know the answer to that question, but am hopeful that Zach can improve to the point where he's able to become a good QB for the Jets.

    That said, even if "processing speed" can be improved, I tend to believe that the great QBs simply are blessed with a "fast calculator", and that's what sets them apart more than arm strength or anything else. And at this point I don't think Zach has been blessed in that way. So maybe you're right, Siemian might be a better choice, except how do we know he's really any faster of a game processor? Yes, we could try him and find out, but then if he isn't then what? Boyle? Because benching Zach again, deservedly or not, would likely screw up his confidence and render him worse than he is now. The Jets had better be very sure of this move before they make it.

    And BTW: this is why I was banging the table so hard for Mahomes, and why I thought passing on him was/is one of the worst mistakes this franchise has ever made. His elite physical ability, coupled with his elite sense of the game really makes him special. The Jets blew it big time.
     
  12. The_Darksider

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    Obviously the most rhetorical of all rhetorical questions.
     
  13. GasedAndConfused

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    I was obviously being facetious, but they had prominent positions

    JD was the VP of player personnel in philly. you can discount the ravens because he was just a scout then.
    Saleh was the defensive quality control coach in sea and the DC in SF.
     
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    maybe, maybe not. but missing a game here and there is a big difference to playing 4 snaps in a season.
    right now the players are behind wilson until rodgers comes back. compared to the pats where reports are jones lost the locker room.
     
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    you get them all the time. they should be your favorite
     
  17. The_Darksider

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    I think you have to go on empirical evidence. Siemian has never been a good quarterback, but he has shown that he can be better than Zach is playing right now. And that's all I'm basing this on. He's nothing resembling a savior, he will not get this team to the playoffs, but he will improve the offense measurably. Had they gone to him earlier, it probably could have saved the season somewhat or at least gave us some hope heading into the stretch run. Maybe he needed some time to learn the playbook, and they will eventually go to him? But I don't think so.

    Bottom line to me is that they are sacrificing the seasons, for the second year in a row, of 52 guys to try and save the ego and career of one guy. Maybe two if you count Douglas and the fact that he drafted him. They are watching the window close on a golden opportunity with a very good defense that could get a lot better, but very soon, they will not be able to pay everybody and then we are in a lot of trouble. The window will then be closed and onto the next failed regime.

    The Jets are doing whatever it is that is the opposite of striking while the iron is hot.
     
  18. BrowningNagle

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    I know where they worked before. Everyone does.
     
  19. GasedAndConfused

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    then you can't call them perennial losers lol I don't think you know what the term means
     
  20. BrowningNagle

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    Perennial = persisting for multiple years.

    Joe Douglas is in his 5th straight losing season and Saleh in his 3rd straight. They are perennial losers
     

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