all 22 is the gold standard, but.... this is ok to watch along with the above analysis as a companion
Newman gets beat too and the guy is right in Zach's face. Zach is to blame, can't throw a pick here. But Newman and Lazard didn't help much either.
there hasn't been a single indication he's lost the locker room and all the sideline conversations we've seen shows the offense still supports him.
someone always thinks they can "fix" a QB with an arm like his. he'll stick around as a backup. maybe get a chance to start somewhere due to injury/desperation. he'll have a sam darnold like career lol
Your correct but its comming, its only a matter of time if he continues to lose games - I know its a team sport but QB - needs to put points on the board, i.e., rookie in tex
breece looked off. there was 1 play he got a big run and normally you'd see him put on the moves and burners for more but he just kind of walked OOB. there was another play with GW where he ran backwards and walked OOB but he seemed to be in pain after. the whole offense just looks out of sync. it's almost to the point we'd be better off just chucking it downfield every play and hoping for a flag or a great catch. we can't sustain a drive without fucking it up
players have a different perspective then fans do. they watch film, they watch and participate in practices. their opinions on players are much different then that of your average fan.
A) I think he'd be better but I guess it depends on what you mean by "light years better". Even in that scenario I'd give him no better than a 10% chance of developing into a viable starting QB. I could probably see him becoming a high-level back up at this point but barring some drastic jump, I think that might be his ceiling. B) That would all depend on the situation he goes to. If he goes somewhere like San Fran where they've got a great infrastructure, surrounding talent, and offensive coach around him? Maybe those odds jump up to 50/50 but that's still probably too generous. At this point I think the highest I'd be willing to go would be 25/75 he ever develops into an average to above average starting QB and that would be if he was dropped into the perfect situation. C) Similar to what I just said, if I was the GM of the right team, (San Fran, Minnesota, & Detroit are the types of teams I'm thinking of) I'd be willing to take a flyer on him for the right price. He needs a place where we have an established starter but that starter is not elite and we could potentially upgrade. Zach has all the physical talent to play the game at a high level but he still struggles from a processing standpoint IMO. I wouldn't be paying him high-end back-up money but if I was in the right scenario, I'd sign him to a 2-3 year deal on the cheap with virtually 0 guaranteed money just to see if he could develop in the background within my system.
If it doesn't happen before then, it will once either Ridder of Heineke completely blow us out and humiliate us in a couple of weeks. That game represents the only chance we have left to get a win and, when that completely falls on its face, I would imagine the defense will finally turn on the offense.
Fully agree but if my options are Zach throws a pick or takes a sack in that scenario, I take the sack 10/10 times. Puts us behind the chains and most likely means the end of the drive anyway but it's better than guaranteeing it.
He lost the locker room last year pretty easily. All of the defensive comments after last night about needing to play complimentary football and they feel like the defense has to score is pretty damning. They’re not going to directly call him out but you do you dude. Every single way you interpret things is the correct interpretation in your own mind, hence why it’s useless having any sort of debate with you.
Lazard runs lazy routes all the time. The overthrow down the left side was him quitting on the run. He is a total waste of a slot. Great job like always btw, but bottom line to me, if we don’t have those pathetic penalties, we win hands down. This is one of many games where our best gains and or TDs get erased because of stupid offensive penalties. Hell we must have erased 400 yards of gains this season on shit penalties. Removing Zach will not fix this putrid offensive nightmare. Hack ain’t fixing a darned thing.
I just watched the play in slo-mo. Conk did have his hand up, but he did not break up the pass. Watch carefully: #25 on the Raiders punches Conk's hand and the ball through it. Conk actually was helping GW a bit to soften the blow, but #25 makes the play to break it up from GW. If Conk's hand is not up there, #25 breaks it up even easier.
In retrospect, yes, but taking a sack in critical situation like this is not a great idea either. People criticized Zach for taking a sack like this before. Everyone would try to make a play in this case. If Zach rifled it and put it a little to the left shoulder of Lazard, that's a much needed completion. He definitely made a costly mistake and it is his fault, but Lazard's lazy route and especially Newman losing quickly also wasn't ideal.
last year he did. which is why saleh benched him. saleh already explained all of that. said zach lost confidence in himself, he seen it as did the team in meetings and practices. he pulled zach to protect him. he said this year is different. zach is playing well and has confidence and the offense has confidence in him. Of course they won't directly call him out, and i'm sure the defense is frustrated is at the offense, but it doesn't mean they are frustrated with zach or just zach. thats a huge leap there. I doubt anyone on defense is frustrated with breece or GW. I do agree that the comments are damning but thats more on the coaching staff. Saleh is coaching this team in the old "play not to lose" instead of "playing to win" which we all have seen before and rarely if ever does it work. as far as your last line, I take things for what they are worth. The issue is others assume stuff and think everyone should make the same assumption. you made a huge assumption here with 0 basis and then go well if you don't agree with my assumption then you are wrong, and in the same sentence say thats why I can't have a debate which is extremely ironic yet you don't see it.
I can see your point on these takes, and only disagree to a degree. But here's the question I would ask you: If you can see that Zach has this potential, given the right circumstances/support, why wouldn't you keep him and invest and building that environment? IOW: Why does it have to be that the Jets get rid of a potentially good young QB, only to see him blossom elsewhere? This is the really frustrating aspect to all of this. Zach has elite ability. He is improving, despite questionable game plans and pay calling, and a lack of good supporting cast (with the exception of GW and Breece), and of course the stupid penalties that are killing drives. If those three things were improved - which should be achievable - he can become at least a pretty good QB, and perhaps, with more experience, pretty damn good. If you agree with my assessment, then why would/should the Jets get rid of him? If you disagree, then what's the solution to getting a better option at QB?
I know you didn't ask me but if you don't mind i'd like to chime in here zach has potential. so do many other Qbs. only a small percent make it. he's had now going on 3 years to change potential into actual ability and he hasn't. he's tough because of his "wow" plays. you watch a zach highlight reel and the only other Qbs that have similar ones are allen and mahomes. thats why he's hard to give up on for some. thats why people see potential. however a guy like brady or manning or brees could never make the throws zach does. but they didn't need to because they efficiently ran offenses that moved down the field. zach can't do that. not consistently. he's still good enough to be a backup and spot starter but he isn't a QB leading your team to a playoff run. We've seen the same with sanchez, and geno, and hackenberg, and morgan, and darnold where it's young potential why give up. but outside of geno like 8 years later, none have had success anywhere as a starter. right now zach is our bets option. next year it'll be rodgers again. after 2024 there is a good chance rodgers retires, zach walks as a FA, and we draft a QB and sign a stopgap vet. If I was the jets i'd start taking a late QB in the next draft and see if we can get lucky with a purdy
