Week 10 Studs and Duds NYJ vs LVR

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  1. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    because I don’t care if you agree or disagree with Costello?
     
  2. Acad23

    Acad23 Well-Known Member

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    So many yards left on the field...
    Players running out of bounds to avoid contact... penalties... dropped balls... open receivers not getting targeted.

    The only guys on offense that play with any heart, in my opinion, are G. Wilson and Conklin... even Breece looks tentative.
    C.J. Uzomah is a net negative Dud... sit him down.

    Lazard is another Dud... if Garrett had tossed a better pass he probably would have dropped it.

    If I was Saleh I'd rip them all a new asshole... and then have them hold an offense-only players meeting to work it out.

    The offense is as useless as a bag of dicks without a handle.
     
  3. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    I felt that about Breece yesterday too. Looked like he wasn’t even trying to find a hole, just wanted to get his 3-4 yards and get off the field.
     
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  4. JackBower

    JackBower Well-Known Member

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    You are assuming Simien, who has over a handful of better games in he NFL than Zach in less games played, is worse. That is one of the reasons where you are losing everyone with your take.
     
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  5. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    he hasn't won a game in 3 years and is 0-6 in his last 6 starts. I don't care what he did 6 years ago. he's had a better career then zach, nobody is denying that. the point is what can he do now? cook was a top 5 RB 3 years ago. he's ass now.
    my take is current, other people's takes are built on stats of yesteryear. On top of that the coaches are seeing him every practice and he's still behind boyle on the depth cahrt and saleh said a few days ago he's not interested in promoting him currently. plus he was unemployed until a few weeks ago. using your own brain and ignoring everything else, what seems more logical and valid to you?
     
  6. Acad23

    Acad23 Well-Known Member

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    Watch the longish run he made up the left sideline... he stepped out to avoid contact rather than cut it inside for a bunch of extra yards.

    I should amend my comment about guys playing with heart... Zach played hard and made some eye popping throws.
    That Hail Mary at the end was an incredible throw... amazing how he got that off.

    He is just incapable of putting together touchdown drives... and I feel that as a leader he is lacking.
     
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  7. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    Cook ran hard and should've gotten more carries

    Lazard is obviously not worth his contract, that was a stupid signing but the ball does come to him without any touch. 90 mph fastballs when he's 5 yards in front of the QB
     
  8. HackettSuxTNG

    HackettSuxTNG Well-Known Member

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    I like how you solely get to set the standard for what is "reasonable". It's cute.
     
  9. HackettSuxTNG

    HackettSuxTNG Well-Known Member

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    What a load of junc.
     
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  10. Acad23

    Acad23 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah... Cook had a few nice runs. Of course Hackett... who has no feel for the game... only fed him 4 times.

    Lazard is average at best. Too many drops... too many lazy routes... too many penalties.
    The fact that he gets so many opportunities to fuck things up is just a sad state of affairs.
    UDFA Gipson looks better out there... he should be the #2 WR.
     
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  11. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    not my standard. reasonable people would see that ;)
    except historically proven wrong over and over and now it just kinda makes you look bad for assuming something and refusing to admit you are wrong. same thing you are accusing me over.
     
  12. abyzmul

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    It's pretty obvious that Lazard and G Wilson are both playing pretty injured right now. Wilson actually ran out of bounds backwards after one reception because something was going on with his leg. They should be sitting probably, but the depth is a bunch of kids and Randall Cobb's broke down ass.
     
  13. JackBower

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    You also cherry pick stats which makes this a waste of time. 0-6 with a 12TD/4INT with similar completion percentage and yards per game that Zach brings (high 50s/little under 200 yards). The first loss he also broke his leg in less than a dozen plays by Myles Garrett.

    Again, I don't think anyone is guaranteeing he will be better.. but he's definitely worth a shot with what we've seen from Zach.
     
  14. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    yup exactly why stats are BS ;) that was the point of that. was waiting for someone to point that out
    but all non sense aside, he was a dumpster fire for the bears in his last start. which you'd think people would remember because he played us. in a game where their RBs were breaking tackles left and right he stalled the offense every time he tried to do anything. we blew them out (mike white game we won 31-10) he was bad. they didn't even want to let him throw. we also dropped 2-3 INTs that game. his stats were bad, but actual film wise he was much worse then his stats which is saying a lot. after that start no team wanted him and he was unemployed until just a few weeks ago. funny thing is i'd still take simian over boyle. but zach sucks the least of the 3. Also it's pretty clear MLF was better then hackett. we found ways to move the ball even with a rough o-line and backup QB. everyone wanted MLF fired because "it couldn't get worse" and yet here we are.
     
  15. HackettSuxTNG

    HackettSuxTNG Well-Known Member

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    How exactly does one break his or her ass?
     
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    Just to add on to this. It's like if anything and everything goes right, we might hit 20 points. The moment a few things go wrong anywhere it's a dumpster fire. Imagine needing a perfect game to just get to the league average in points. We aren't the only team in the NFL that has drops and penalties on offense. It's such a shit excuse over and over and over.
     
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  17. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    and funny enough 2 teams actually score less then us this year and 1 of them hasn't lost their QB. things can always be better but they can always be worse.
     
  18. typeOnegative13NY

    typeOnegative13NY Well-Known Member

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    Is it the o line not opening up, or does breece look different?
     
  19. JackBower

    JackBower Well-Known Member

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    Lol stats do kind of matter. You can't say that they don't as much as you want but it's to a party of one, yourself. You can't say stats don't matter, then say a guy is 0-6 with one of those losses he played less than 10 snaps.

    Good luck on the sword my guy.
     
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  20. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    I mean in the grand scheme of things, team stats kinda matter as it does help you judge a unit as a whole. it's not perfect but it's a starting point. the problem is individual stats are so skewed based on the other 10 players on the field with them and teams and match ups and schemes and weather and game flow etc etc there are so many variables to it. statwise Q is one of the worst DTs in the NFL. people could come in and say "he got paid 25mil a year and went from 12 sacks to 1 sack in half a season" but obviously that doesn't do justice to how he is. he's playing like a top 3 DT but he gets a lot of attention and allows others around him to do better. his stats don't nearly match how good he is or how much of an impact he has on the field for us.

    the 0-6 was purposely put in there (which I explained above) because I was waiting for someone to say why it doesn't matter and they did which is the exact argument I made over and over. it shows that my argument is legit people just don't want to hear it because it doesn't agree with them. it's ok to dimiss stats for everyone but me apparently. and you proved it as well with this response.
     

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