That and a handful won't get me on the subway. We can agree to disagree that the game was winnable with Max Grossman. No half time adjustments to speak of, which also always seems to be de rigueur. The thing that ALWAYS kills me is that when the Jets have nothing to lose but the game - meaning by all accounts after a fashion they ain't winning - then do crazy thing after crazy thing and see where it gets you. At least lose when you're not going to win by ridiculous risk taking and make the loss half way worth my time. Instead, they invariably fold their cheap shitty tent and take a swan dive into The Berkeley Pit.
And Woody the Rube. If it wasn't for those meddling kids, I would've gotten away with it! Substitute meddling kids with meddling Woody Johnson.
I don't know if I didn't portray it clearly enough or if you misunderstood it, but what I'm saying is there were several times he was still standing there to be crushed when he should have realized the pocket was collapsing and done something else. Whether that's throw the ball away, run, rollout, whatever it may be, he can't continue to just stand there. The issue with him previously is that he would bail on the pocket immediately when he didn't need to. Both of these situations point to exactly what I'm saying: he has no pocket awareness. None at all. At this point, the best we can argue is that he's doing what the coaching staff is telling him, but never breaking away from it at all. Paint by numbers, don't turn the ball over, don't run too soon, etc. But a half second in the NFL is a lifetime in this situation, and he is taking a half second or more too long far too often.
Zach Wilson has about 900 passing attempts over his career. If you don't think that's a large enough sample size to draw conclusions then I don't know what to tell you. A fraction of that number is a large enough sample to draw conclusions. Seriously just think about what you're trying to say here. You've dug your heels in so deep on this point that you're saying things that just flat out make 0 sense to defend it. Ever notice that the QBs who have good seasons tend to...keep having good seasons? What a coincidence huh? Just a totally random coincidence?
I will agree it seemed like at times he trusted the protection too much, but he was trying to keep his eyes downfield to push the ball. He did try to step up a few times but the issue was pressure was coming from everywhere. if the interoir holds up you can step up to avoid edges. we didn't have that luxury. and our d-line did the same to herbert that theirs did to zach but I haven't seen anyone shit talk herbert for playing a worse game then zach yesterday and that is my issue. each game is it's own bubble and if our QB outplays their QB and the QB is known to be the weak link on the team ahead of time, I don't get how you can hate the QB. maybe if ruckert doesn't commit 2 dumb penalties and breece doens't miss the toss and wilson doesn't fumble and the special teams doesn't let up a TD and lazard doens't drop 2 balls and commit 2 dumb penalties then maybe we win a 20-17 game. there was so many more detriments to the offense then zach yesterday. it's not like everyone did great and zach sucked by himself
I said he was garbage years 1 and 2 so throw them out. I already voiced my opinion on his 1st 2 years. flashes of greatness but too many mistakes, didn't progress, and didn't look like a QB by the end of year 2. that chapter is done. now comes the 2nd act. he went from 2OA pick and FQB hopeful to backup QB. he already failed the original expectation and is now a backup thrust into duty due to injury.
Let's be realistic, if Zach doesn't dump the ball to Michael Carter six times on the final drive, he has worse stats than Herbert. Herbert got the ball down field to his receiver, Zach never did that. I mean, you seem to be a guy who does a lot of analyzing, how could you sit there and cherry pick such a thing? Herbert was facing the Jets defense, which smothered him, and still made some plays. Zach was facing the 31st ranked pass defense, and made no plays. It's like the fifth week in a row I'm being told he had better stats than the other guy when the other guy had to face our defense, and our guy never puts the ball in the end zone.
Two shooters have a 20% game shooting. One has a career shooting percentage of 20%, one has a career shooting percentage of 35%. Which one would you have more confidence in shooting 35% next game?
Bottomline for me: I don't want a Qb who can't see the field, feel pressure or consistently complete the easy throws that most High School Qb's can.
The giants season is all but over, and yet they are still working out qbs. The jets refused to do so even when still alive
I'm no Zach Truther but the kid went 33 for 49 even with all the drops playing behind a bad line while under heavy pressure. Managed not to throw an interception which i was extremely shocked by. To say he hasnt shown any improvement is a pretty big stretch. The fumbles were bad last night but this hasnt been an issue in the past. IN NOW WAY am i saying hes a good QB but hes deff playing better/smarter than our previous two seasons with him.
jets outpassed the chargers not even including that final drive. we shut down their pass attack and made it worse then ours. we had a lot called back on dumb penalties too and we had lots of drops. the chargers D smothered us too. we had a 3rd and 4th string lineman against bosa, mack, and tuli and they feasted 31st defense means nothing when they were missing players and now they are back and healthy
obviously the 35% I never said they aren't better Qbs then zach. I know they are. I rank zach in the mid 20s. every QB we faced outside of mac jones and the giants Qbs are betetr then zach by far, but for the 1 game head to head, he did better so he wasn't the reason we lost. thats the main point.
We had a back-and-forth similar to this a couple of weeks ago, and now I realize it's not an isolated incident that you keep moving the sign posts depending on what I say to you. It's all good though, if you looked at Zach Wilson last night and feel he was better than people think, and had a better game than Justin Herbert, then you go right ahead and think that. I will just disagree and we can move on with our evenings.
Literally any QB this side of Danny DeVito could go 33 for 49 without throwing an interception if all he does is wait for checkdowns to get open before throwing the ball. And if you ask why don't more QBs do it then, it's because without an elite defense, that strategy puts you in line for the number one draft pick.
Look I appreciate your perspective and I have no issue having a conversation … however, I couldn’t disagree more with your stance on stats. If I’m hearing you right, they don’t matter. At all. It’s like they don’t even measure anything. And your stance on the 17 game season being too short…comparing it to baseball. You are making no sense here. The stats are measuring what the QB does. It’s not complicated. Our QB throws for a lower completion rate, for fewer yards, for fewer TDs, and for fewer points than almost any other QB starting. Not just this year. We are in year 3. He’s always been at the bottom. The eye test matches the shit stats. And sure, I’ll defend the stats till the death because they are there for all to see…they are applied the same way to all QBs. It’s not like Zach is the only QB with a bad OL, or the only QB who has drops. It’s unbelievable to me. The only ones who have to cherry pick and twist stats (hey, he’s 20 of 22 on passes under 2.0 seconds!) are the ones trying to defend his shit play. So while I respect your opinion on many points and I agree with a lot of them! I am totally on board that last night was not just a Zach problem. Our entire offense sucked. Our two studs each had a fumble. Our OL was trash. And as bad as Zach was last night (and he WAS bad), I’ve seen him have worse games! Last night wasn’t all on him. But he for sure was a huge part of the problem. Hell, even Troy fucking hall of fame Aikman, who knows more about QB play than anyone on this fucking board, could barely keep himself civil. If he wasn’t on air and trying to be non-offensive, I can only imagine what he’d have been saying about Zach if he were just watching the game with some friends. So while I “think” your position is not that Zach is good, just that he’s a bit better than he was last two years…and while I can agree with that, it still doesn’t mean he’s good. It doesn’t mean he’s average. He’s not. He’s a terrible QB…unfortunately we don’t have any clearly better options on our roster, and that’s on JD…at this point I would at least try and put in Simian even if nothing other than just a change. Who knows…he may be worse (he’s not as physically talented as Zach) but he may be better. But this hill you’re dying on about stats not mattering is nonsensical. They are not the only measure. But they are a pretty good barometer…ESPECIALLY when they match the eye test so well. Trying to say it’s stupid and meaningless is not the hill I would die on…
If you say no one can be evaluated then you don’t have to evaluate Zach Wilson haha gasedandconfused checks out
sounds good to me. neither if us are going to change our minds. I think both Qbs were bad, but zach did better then herbert. the balls just didn't bounce our way and we aren't good enough offensively to overcome it.
