Everything else -- arm talent, agility, toughness -- is more than good enough. But his vision and mental processing are not quite quick enough for this level. Oh well.
I have to say - and I’m speaking as someone who was really hopeful after that Chiefs game - that I agree with this. He has regressed. I don’t think he is as bad as he was last season, but the last few games he has offered very little, and no consistency at all. It’s one great pass followed by a string of incompletions. He isn’t the only problem, as many have said, but he is a problem.
What arm talent? He has horrendous mechanics. Toughness? Guy is the most meek on field “leader” I’ve ever seen. You were right on the mental aspects, but ZW has essentially no redeeming qualities as a QB. None.
You can’t use the Mahomes argument…you just can’t. Mahomes has PROVEN he is one of the best QBs in the league…if you’re trying to say that even a great QB can have a bad day, sure no one will argue that. But the problem is Zach hasn’t shown anything anywhere near what Mahomes has done. Not ever. Not even a single damn game. For sure, our OL and receivers sucked last night. They’ve not been very good all year outside of GW. That STILL doesn’t excuse the shitshow that we call our starting QB. He has NO feel for the game so he takes bad sacks…sure he’s not throwing picks but he is fumbling…saw the stat that shows he has 5 passing TDs against 10 turnovers (picks + fumbles). That’s putrid QB play. I get how you feel about stats and context, but jeezus stats DO show what’s happening. Zach continues to be worst in the league like he’s been 2 years running now. The stats ARE what he is. What he’s always been. I see so little hope of him EVER becoming even an average QB. He just doesn’t have the mental aspect down. He can’t “feel” the game, the pressure, he doesn’t see the play and he misses open receivers…just brutal.
Rodgers dropped back tiwce and...held the ball... btw... this is not to defend Zach who isnt up to snuff. however, receivers are also NOT WINNING early. A Rog barelky escaped for a throwaway and then got injured. shrug. what i've seem amkes me beleive he would have been injured by now anayway.
in the past 7 weeks i have watcxhed about 30 mins total LIVE Jets football. stop watching., does wonders for your heatrtburn.
Chicken or the egg in my opinion. Are they not winning early, or is he not throwing to the spot he anticipates them being? The play last night where Lazard almost had his head taken off, when they showed it from behind Wilson, you can see that as soon as he made the turn he was open. If the ball was waiting, that's a catch. But Zach waited until he made the turn and started to move. That in reality was only a split second, but that split second was everything.
strange ive asked a dozen times or more... the other idea was FIELDS who also sucks... would the bile be as vile with Fields as with Zach? Less rich boy nonsense maybe?
People want Siemien, eh I’m sure he can get rid of the ball quick just like Zach did last night. If the pocket isn’t holding up, can Trevor do better? He may have better awareness but they surely have way less mobility to make things happen.
wed needa look at the all 22 to get an idea, i guess. yes. tenths of seconds make the difference at this level. and again. zach aint up to snuff. not defending zach. but the HOF did the same in a tiny sample size.
I think a lot of it comes down to him not reacting quickly enough and needing to see open space between the receiver and the defender. Rarely happens at the NFL level, and he has not made adjustments. I've never played quarterback at any level so I can't speak to why or how it's not clicking for him, but that seems to be the issue to me. The good quarterbacks, even the decent ones, usually hit their guys in stride or throw a spot with the receiver turns around and boom, there it is. When a lot of a quarterback's throws end up with the receiver getting hit immediately or in danger of getting seriously injured, that's a timing thing. And he's going to get someone hurt badly.
Wilson doesn’t really move out of the pocket until the end of games when we’re down. So yes, he is more mobile but he mostly doesn’t really showcase it until those scenarios other than retreating which kills the play anyways. I think the larger point is that the QB play really doesn’t get any worse at this point. We have scored 8 offensive touchdowns in 7 games. One of those scores, the Eagles literally let us run it in after a long interception return.
Do you think we'd be as upset as we are with Zach if his last 2 seasons had looked remotely like Mahomes' or Josh Allen's? This is such a strange way of looking at this. You get the benefit of the doubt when 95% of your play is elite. You don't get the benefit of the doubt when 95% of your play is bad. What is so hard to understand here?
but again it's not a fair thing. if an NBA shooter is 20% for his career then has a game with 50% you can appreciate the 50% game.
herbert, mahomes, allen, and hurts are all top 10 QBs (if not top 5 for most) look at their games against us. the stats say they suck
no you wouldn't and thats the point. you aren't looking at the game in a bubble. your mind is already made up on his past and you can't be objective due to that. zach his 1st 2 years doesn't look the same he does now. I see alot of diference. here are some examples 1) drawing players offsides for a free play 2) calling out blitzers 3) audibles 4) hanging in the pocket and climbing the pocket instead of bailing out backwards every time 5) I watched him dirt a broken screen at halls feet yesterday instead of trying to extend the play causing a huge negative which he's done too often in the past even a few weeks ago he did it 6) playing the matchups (throwing 50/50 balls to GW in single coverage) 7) limiting INTs (outside of his 1st 3 games before he "turned the corner IMO" his last 5 he's only thrown 1 INT on 183 attempts.) 8) calling out blitzers to the o-line 9) missing the "easy throws" far too often, now he's missing them rarely those are all growth points from where he was. the coaching staff wants him to just keep us in the game and not kill us and he's doing that. Then I watched lazard make these mistakes yesterday 1) block in the back negating a 20 yard run from hall 2) fail to get set forcing an illegal shift on another big play 3) drop 2 balls 4) fail to come back for a ball downfield and let the d-back swat it away On top of him ruckert had a false start and failed to line up on the LOS both killing drives breece took his eye off a toss and whiffed on the ball causing a fumble (thats credited to zach by rule of stat keeping) that killed a drive GW running with the ball away from his body and getting it poked out killing a drive Turner and mitchell getting destroyed all game on the right side zach isn't good enough to overcome these mistakes. we all know that. on offense we need to be virtually mistake free and all those outside of turner and mitchell are dumb easily fixable mistakes. every time we were moving the ball someone fucked up putting us in a 2nd or 3rd and long instead of a 2nd or 3rd and short. that puts the QB and o-line in a bad spot. it's much easier to throw on 3rd and 3 then it is on 3rd and 13 but both throws are counted as the same stat wise. zach will likely never be even an average QB. even last night he was still below average performance. but it's better then he was his 1st 2 years and he wasn't the reason we lost. if it was a 13-10 game where he threw 3 INTs then yeah blame zach for sure.
