1) has had informal conversations with huffs agent and that it's trending in a positive direction. 2) on hardman - basically said gipson took his role (like most of us here said and noticed) 3) on a-rod "we expect him to be back this season" edit: JD clarified with rodgers Back didn't mean back and playing. he meant back with the team. said he'll leave playing up to the doctors.
He also said he called a lot of teams about a lot of different position groups but takes two to tango...his words. I found the highlighted comment interesting... Maybe he isn't satifsfied with the team as presently configured or converserly he just wants to improve the team...
I'm surprised Denver didn't unload at least one receiver. Jeudy and the franchise hate each other, and Sutton will be on his way to retirement before they become good again.
no stone left unturned. i'm sure he was checking his boxes just nothing aligned. people here made it sound like he was eating doritos and playing halo 3 instead of working. I don't think anyone wants jeudy at this point. too much headache for not enough production. I would have enjoyed sutton though but I doubt they would part with him
JD was full of shit. Which he should have been I understand. But it takes two to tango? He could have tangoed with Minny and helped OLine if he brought a 6th round pick. However, one thing I am still a bit baffled about. He mentioned he gave away Hardman because Gipson stepped up. I watched every snap - Gipson played worse than Cobb at WR. I cannot imagine Hardman doing worse given a chance. And isn't it better to just keep the speedy vet just in case? We are talking 6th for 7th swap here to keep Hardman just in case Gipson sucks (which he did against Giants) and a 6th rounder to bolster the Oline. Not to mention maybe actually get someone better at WR, he actually made the group worse. And didn't improve OLine. But hey, it takes two to tango!
Yeah I don’t know what calls were made or what discussions were had, but there were plenty of trades for these 6th-7th pick swaps made…I just can’t imagine there wasn’t anything to be done…hard to believe that. But at that point, not sure anyone available is that big an upgrade…I do think there are a lot of teams hurting on OL right now and it’s not hard to imagine that no one who would be a clear upgrade was available, but it also feels like we need at least NFL level bodies at this point…
Guy, I love ya, but you have no clue what you're talking about. He could NOT have have had Cleveland for a 6th. That's what Jacksonville offered and he would have had to have beaten that offer. You have no idea who he spoke to, how many trades he talked with other GMs about and what the costs would have been. Minny could have easily asked for a lot more from us since we're in a desperate position. AFAIK Jacksonville hasn't been bitten by the injury bug, and isn't desperate.
No NC, Jax is a near lock to make play-offs, leading the division at 6-2, and maybe make a play-off run like they did last year. Jets' probability of the 6th pick being better than Jax is extremely high, which means it has more value. Our 6th pick is a better offer. NFL GMs do what's best for their teams. If someone gives them a higher 6th, they would take that, with a possible exception of divisional opponents, which is not the case here. Even if they asked more from JD initially, before accepting Jax offer, they would have called JD back had he offered Jets 6th, because Jets 6th is better value than Jax 6th. It's common sense, there is no need to concoct a story of how Minny is so dumb, they would prefer to hurt themselves and take lesser offer.
They got Carolina’s 6th round pick which is probably the first pick in the round.There’s no shot NC knew that though when arguing with you so it will be funny when he responds to you trying to use this against you. We also don’t have a 5th and I wouldn’t have given A 4th. They needed to get creative with 2025 picks if they wanted Cleveland (i think they should have) https://x.com/dmrussini/status/1719423235433828416?s=46&t=RCU1EI_2cEZzRLtLmi7Csg
Good for Jacksonville. They wanna win, recognized they needed a guard and went out and got one. Sound management
I didn't concoct a story, and I don't appreciate your insinuating that I did. If I am truly one of your favorite posters, then you should know that I don't like or make shit up. I don't keep up with other teams, so I didn't know that Jacksonville has a 6-2 record. Based on that, the Jets' 6th round pick would have been better than Jacksonville's but again, you don't know that Minnesota would have just jumped at the Jets' 6th round pick. When a team is desperate the other team in a trade usually tries to take advantage of their desperation. You don't know that JD didn't talk to Minnesota and they asked for a 5th or 4th round pick. That's why your criticism and comments are off base. In spite of your claims to not be a JD hater, your posts recently put the lie to that. They have been increasingly emotional and negative about JD. That's fine, but at least own it. I guess it makes you proud that one of my biggest detractors on this board (stinkyb) likes your post. Congratulations!
My apologies, NC, I was speaking in general, did not mean to insinuate this. You actually have a good point. Turns out Jax didn't trade their own pick, but Carolina's one, which is better than ours. So, you are right, our 6th would not be enough to get it done. As far as my criticizing JD lately, if you recall it was about OLine before, and nothing has changed. I am owning up to the fact I think he did a shit job with Oline this year, and really mostly throughout his 4 years here. I am emotional about it because lack of good Oline cost us a lot this season, and I am passionate about this team, and this season. I do think he built great defense, so I am not JD hater, just calling things the way I see it. And yes, not making a move at the deadline when we had holes at OLine and WR that could have been patched to a certain extent, to me warrant criticism.
he took over a team that had nothing at o-line. he signed several free agents (CMG, Tomlinson, Fant, Moses, Brown, and some backup/depth ones) he used a 1st in back to back years on becton and AVT, AVT he traded up to get. He also used some mid round picks on Warren and mitchell (both 4ths) he's done more to the o-line then a majority of GMs in the NFL during that time.
The outcome is not good enough. You can't just go back and say I spent X $, X picks, got X number of players, so my job is done. Some of these assets are not good, some are injury prone, etc... For instance, tackles were weak to start the season, this was obvious even before the season, and it cost us Rodgers. Then when we lost interior, he could not beat 6th round offer for Ezra, instead bringing in a washed up guard off the couch. Zach nearly got killed last Sunday. And really Sam, Zach, White, Aaron all suffered with mostly poor OLine. Not good enough.
I'm going to ask this question and I've asked it probably a dozen times to people making the same complaints as you, and never got a single answer. based on what? see the issue is you and everyone else has a made up standard in their head that is meaningless and holding the team up to said standard. but it's nonsensical. most fans think their team has a shit o-line. only about 5 teams fans think they have a good o-line. the other 27 say the same as you. that's statistically impossible. you and many other are failing to see some of the shifts in the NFL talent pool. o-line talent as a whole is down in the NFL. D-line tlaent is up. D-lines are wining more then ever in every game. due to that scoring is the lowest it's been since 2011 in the NFL. passing is down. rushing is down. people just failed to noticed and skewed the reality of the situation.
It's not a matter of JD not being able to beat Jacksonville's offer or not being willing to trade for OL help. The Post's Costello said that JD was willing and wanting to make a deal for OL help, but no one was willing to trade. In the case of Cleveland, he had some discussions with Minnesotat, but the Jets determined that Cleveland was not a good scheme fit. Saleh, Hackett and Carter would have been involved in that decision. JD can't trade if no one is willing to trade. It's the same with FA. He has tried to sign at least 2, maybe 3 top tier FA OL and they weren't willing to sign with the Jets even though JD offered more money. You need to let it go. This is not JD's fault. He cannot help that players are getting injured, and he's done the best that he or anyone could do to try to upgrade the OL short of ignoring the rest of the team and using all the draft picks on the OL. You may have forgotten, but when we had that great OL back in 2009, it used up a ton of cap space and the Jets had no money for elite playmakers. I don't want to get back in a situation like that. They need to figure out what is causing all the injuries. I think it is a combination of the turf, the training, and practice regimen. There isn't enough hitting. Saleh needs to not coach out of fear and he needs to play his OL a lot more in preseason to get them ready for the season. They need to get their OL doing karate or ballet or plyometrics or practicing in a swimming pool or something.
No - I am speaking relatively to other teams. Last year in pass blocking we were #30 according to PFF. This year so far #26. The year before #21 (this is where we had one good stretch I referenced earlier), and before that 31. Under JD QBs never had it good in pass pro, and I mentioned 4 of them that suffered.
Excellent point! There's nothing that JD or any GM can do about that except using more of their early draft picks on what few good OL are in each draft. They can't make high school players decide to play OL rather than DL. I think that eventually OL salaries will skyrocket and DL salaries drop, then more good young players will start playing OL again so they can make better money. It's cyclical like so much else in life and affected by supply and demand.
OL unfortunately has been an issue for us for YEARS…a huge part of that is that Mac intentionally never invested meaningful resources into OL…I think he used like two draft picks and they were mid round picks, preferring instead to sign mid-level free agents on OL. So JD walked into a full on OL issue from his predecessor. To his credit, JD HAS invested significant resources into OL (and DL too, and it shows up in the DL more than it does in the OL)…using a first on Becton, a first on AVT, mid level picks on guys like Mitchell, and signing a bunch of B and C level free agents like our C, Fant, Moses, etc. Unfortunately injuries have been brutal. Had Becton and AVT not missed significant time, we’d have had much better OLs. To some extent, I can give JD a pass on that, as injuries are hard to predict, but not always…after Becton missed time his rookie year, I thought (and many others pointed out as well) that it was not smart to rely on him to start last year, and sure enough he got hurt. I also thought that letting Moses go without making a serious attempt was not a good idea and said so at the time (and yes, I know the talk track that Moses “wanted to play for a contender so what can JD do”, but that’s just an excuse…there is ALWAYS something you can…would we have had to overpay relative to what Baltimore paid him? Maybe, but it would have been the smarter play). So there are perhaps some things that JD could have done differently or done better. Overall, I do think JD knows how to build a team…we’ve invested in OL and DL, we used a high pick on QB and as he hasn’t panned out so far, JD went and got us a HOF QB in Rodgers, so it’s not like JD is oblivious. He’s found some very nice undrafted guys, etc. Still, this is a results league…and “trying” or “investing high picks in” the OL is great, but in the end, you need to have results. Maybe it was a different age, but we all saw Tannenbaum build a top 5 OL in ONE OFFSEASON by drafting Brick and Mangold and signing Woody and Faneca as free agents. Bam. Instant top 5 OL that led to playoff wins. So it CAN be done. JD needs to put this OL thing to bed this offseason…I don’t care if all he drafts are OL and WR, but we NEED to fix this line
