Unfortunately... I was HOPING that he had progressed to the point where he could pull off these simple plays but we'll never know unless they actually TRY those plays on some kind of consistent basis.
None of us know what goes on in practice, what we do know is what we've seen in the games so far..... and he sure doesnt make the "easy" ones look "EASY"
Thanks for the time and effort. While I think you pretty accurately described every play, I disagree with your conclusion that "Zach played bad". Under the circumstances - shitty OL play, terrible play calling, some bad officiating, a couple of bad drops - it was no way a bad game. That said, somehow, Zach needs to start overcoming these hurdles and succeed despite them. Part of that though has to come from Hackett opening things up for him more so he can get more passes under his belt. What, 5 passes in the 1st half? I get trying to be conservative, but that's ridiculous! Not to mention, why didn't they follow the script used against the Bills, with heavy doses of Breece, and running to the right? And has Hackett heard of the concept of running at the pass rusher who's killing you? What QB could've succeeded in those circumstances? But the INTs were terrible. What is he seeing or trying to do with these? Maybe there was miscommunication between him and the receivers, but this has to get fixed. He was not helped by the zebras. That pass down the sideline to Garrett was definitely PI. And the last one to Garrett where GW got hammered should've been a PF for headhunting IMO. The first sack by Parsons should've been RTP, especially since they called a far less egregious RTP penalty on the Jets. I'm not going to respond to every play as you did a good job, but if you step back and watch these plays in real time, Zach was definitely better than he's been, but those 3 INTs, and the failure to dirt the ball and taking a sack just can't happen.
Zach unraveled under pressure like he always does. He hasn’t played a complete game since being in the NFL. 3 bad INTs. All were bad - you can’t do that to your team on the road. Coaching and OL were bad too. But OL was playing against the best pass rush in the NFL. Daniel Jones was sacked way more last week. Saquon was stuffed too. and he’s an elite back. But you cannot throw 3 ints.
No offense but do we still need breakdown threads on ZW?? I've never seen fans squint so hard at a player hoping he'll morph into someone else.
I agree with your central theme here. I do see an improved version of Zach this year. I noted a few examples of this improvement earlier in the thread but he's stepping up in the pocket/navigating the pocket much better than he has the previous 2 years and I also don't see the wildly inaccurate throws we've all seen over that period of time as well, or at least as many. But as I said in earlier in this thread as well, all of this improvement doesn't amount to anything if he's still the worst starting QB in the league. I still hope Zach can turn it around and crazier things have happened so I'm not saying it's impossible but every week he finishes with a stat line similar to Sunday, it makes that potential outcome less and less likely IMO. I fully agree that the OL and Hackett did him no favors this week and even made note of that at the end of the breakdown but c'mon man, he played bad and once you factor in the 3 picks, that bad goes to terrible. I also fully understand that Dallas may very well have the best defense in the league this year and probable DPOY in Parsons if he stays healthy but 170 yards? 1:3 TD:INT ratio? That's just objectively bad. I even gave some justifications for his picks in the breakdown. The first one was a typical Zach pick, not sure what he was trying to do there. I know we were down 17 points at that time but that's not a legitimate justification IMO and it was only 2nd down. Chuck that thing OOB and try to get some yards on 3rd. You're down 17, it's 4 down territory at that point so you're going to have 2 more opps to get 10 yards. I have no qualms with the 2nd pick. Down 20, he tries to give his best WR a chance to make a spectacular play. Those are the INTs I can live with, regardless of who is playing QB. 3rd one, not totally sure what happened. Either it was a miscommunication with MC or a terribly inaccurate pass. I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt and say it was a miscommunication with MC but I've seen Zach throw wildly inaccurate balls resulting in picks too many times to say that's not at least a possibility. All of this makes it even more disheartening to see what's going on around the league at QB. CJ Stroud almost threw for 400 yards in his 2nd game as a pro. Sam Howell threw for 300 yards and brought his team back from an 18 point deficit against a very good Denver defense. And then I'm over here trying to pick through 20 passes to demonstrate marginal improvement from a former 2nd overall pick in his 3rd year. It sucks man. I had such high hopes for Zach but he's just never figured it out and at this point I don't think he ever will. Granted, CJ Stroud's and Sam Howell's performance on Sunday have nothing to do with Zach and his struggles, and neither of those guys played against Dallas so it is an apples to oranges comparison. I'm just trying to demonstrate that some guys in this league are doing more with less. Doesn't mean Zach will or won't pan out, it just makes it that much more frustrating to see what's happening on the team that I support. I'm going to cheer and root for Zach as long as he's the starting QB for this team and I genuinely hope that he proves me wrong. He's got a massive opportunity on Sunday to silence a lot of critics. If he comes out and "slays the dragon" so to speak and plays a good game against the Pats? That would be a big step for him and *could* signal he's turned the corner but even 1 game is not enough for me. I've said it for the past few years now, we've gotta see consistency with Zach. That has to start somewhere, so here's to hoping that Sunday is the first step in some consistency for Zach.
Beat me to it, I don’t need a breakdown to tell me how he played I watched the circus. Breaking down all his throws is just torture at this stage. It’s not going to get any better
Well, as I said at the end of the OP, my hope was that this would consolidate all of the ZW discourse on a week-to-week basis. I'm tired of every thread that devolving into a ZW hate-fest. Lets bring all that discourse here!
This is a fair reaction to this thread. If this is how you feel, I would encourage you to simply not interact with this thread as you are not the intended audience. Which is totally fine btw. Not every thread is for everyone on this message board.
He took that one embarrassing sack where it was a screen pass but he didn’t pull the trigger and then danced in the pocket with no where to throw it until Parsons finally sacked him
A quick summary: He is dead last in completion percentage. He has thrown for fewer yards than anyone except Burrow and two rookies. He has the most INTs. In year three he is once again the worst QB on the planet. It is disgraceful to continue to trot him out there.
I hear ya and I wasn't directing that at you personally just more in general like don't we know exactly what and who ZW is by now? But you're right bunch of folks are gonna post it anyway better to have it in one thread than the whole forum so thank you
I don't get the fans that act like Wilson is still some mystery... We know exactly what he can do and what he is. The only "hope" we had was the whole sit behind Rodgers and learn plan and idk if anyone from the Jets actually believed that but either way that's gone now.
