It’s Zach Wilson Time

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  1. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    That’s not true at all. The sunk cost fallacy is a real thing. Teams don’t just cut the second overall pick and eat the money because there’s a better backup quarterback out there.

    The only times that happens is if they’re a real locker room cancer or maybe a new regime arrived.
     
  2. NJJets

    NJJets Well-Known Member

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    When you order Aaron Rodgers on Wish you end up with Zach Wilson
     
  3. JetsNation06

    JetsNation06 Well-Known Member

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    You are the biggest jock rider of Wilson on this board. If he's so talented then why does he suck so much? Like Joe Douglas is some kind of QB whisperer (said no one ever)

    You seriously need to stop backing this kid so hard. It makes you look clueless about the QB position. You act like he's some top talent. He's a fringe NFL QB at this point in his career.

    When he starts a full NFL season again get back to me. It will never happen. Stop talking hypotheticals and watch the kid play. He's scared and had an average passing attempt of 3.6 yards last night. That would barely cut it at the HS level and never in the NFL. It's really disgusting the fawning posts you make about this kid who SUCKS!

    Again, get back to me when he starts an entire NFL season again. Ain't happening. Ever. Book it.
     
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  4. LAJet

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    The sunk cost has little input if they don’t think he can perform as as a back up adequately, Not in the situation we are in with AR and a win now mode. Furthermore, the leadership, unlike you and others in this forum. still believes in his potential as a starter, or at least a solid back up. And both of those, IMO, are the main drivers to retaining him, not the sunk cost.
     
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    JetsNation06 Well-Known Member

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    The main driver in keeping a QB should be performance based and nothing else. Of course Jets leadership is going to stand by their guy. They have to given his high draft position and how bad they will get lambasted by the media and fans. And as already stated, Jets brass has little to no qualifications when it comes to putting together a successful offensive football product to date.

    Even Saleh admitted as much on Hard Knocks this past episode when he said that the offense has stunk around here since he's been the HC. Zach was a big part of that stink.

    He still has yet to prove he can play the QB position at the NFL level and he's lucky to have some big backers when,quite frankly, he's done little on the field to deserve a roster spot.
     
  6. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    So you believe that the Jets feel as though Wilson was a better option as a backup quarterback than Gardner Minshew, Wentz, Andy Dalton, Baker and Teddy Bridgewater? Like on the field performance, if Rodgers goes down, the decision to keep Wilson was performance based.

    In a win-now scenario, Zach Wilson gives the Jets a better chance to win games if he needs to play than those five guys?

    I also don’t know exactly what you think coaches and teammates and front office brass are going to say out loud while he’s still on the roster or even when he’s off it. Are they going to say Zach Wilson sucks and we doubt he can ever be a starting QB in the league? I’ve never heard an organization say that about a player on the roster even if they cut a player a week later.
     
  7. IDFjet

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    You conclude this simply because he's still on the team taking snaps. The reality is that he's worthless and a huge cap hit to get rid of him.

    Now you may think he is worth something--so tell us what do you think another team would give for him and his current salary--would they even give a conditional 7th?

    I've asked this to you fanboys many times and no-one ever gives a value. Because you in some sense know that he's beyond worthless--hes actually a huge financial liability and thats why he's still active here.

    Why you like him has to do with some factor beyond economics--and for old coots he's an unconcious sex object or something along these lines.
     
  8. LAJet

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    May be so, same rational fans used with Geno Smith as everyone was raising their pitch forks to get rid of him. If fear of being lambasted is the concern, then they will be lambasted many times more if he is forced into action as a back up and they didn't believe in him as a BU. Again, you guys assessment of his talent and potential is not what they see at all. Value is secondary at best.
     
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    It took 4 teams and a decade before he finally "got it"... not exactly the best example
     
  10. LAJet

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    All I believe is they feel he has the potential to develop under AR and is capable to come in for a couple of games and hold the fort, and they are not ready to give up on him at this stage, period. Investment and cap is secondary. I would want no part of Wentz, Dalton nor Teddy, if we where to bring in a better near term back up. I also believe the front office if they felt he was not ready to be a BU this year, they would have brought in an better BU and sacrifice one slot elsewhere.
     
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    Is Zach Wilson a quality backup for the Jets?...YES!

    ...Now, will he ever become a franchise QB in the NFL?...NEVER!...IMO

    The kid is too inconsistent and doesn't really have the mental ability (yet?) to overcome the challenges of being a quality NFL QB.

    In his short time on the field:
    - he missed a wide open Lazard on a crosser over the middle with no pressure
    - he almost had a separated shoulder not running out of bounds on the long run

    Did he have some good throws? sure - but at the height it's always a mixed bag with him only. And he's yet to overcome his issues when pressure is on him in the pocket. He becomes too reckless and I think this will always be THE story of Zach Wilson for much of his career. Belichick will eat QBs like him alive every Sunday.
     
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    LOL, true, but he did well as a back up way before he saw the starting role, so there is that.
     
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    Good post. No disagreement from me. He has not yet shown that he can be consistent enough to be the guy for any team. Mental errors and timing at times is annoying.
     
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    The Bears signed a D-2 QB and he has looked better in preseason than Wilson ever has. Rooting for that kid
     
  15. Losmeister

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    ?? the ONE year ?? i mean he had years w/ the Giants... my guess is he regresses to his own avg level... below avg
     
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    Nonsense. He has made them before. Saying that he "can't" is just ignorant.
     
  17. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    Your argument is that it is solely performance based though, with all other things being secondary including cap and spent assets.

    If you believe the Jets are making the assessment based on that alone, then they made a terrible assessment thus far including how Wilson’s looked in camp.

    Now I will say, given that they have no choice but to keep Wilson on the roster given the cap implications, I would agree. Teddy & Wentz were not good players for this situation. Dalton maybe, but you can’t spent $3-4 million+ on three players at the QB position especially given Rodgers being on the roster.
     
  18. LAJet

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    Agree with the above Vilma. I think the first terrible assessment even before that, was to start Zach as a rookie when he was not remotely ready. One could argue that if he was drafted that high based of an assessment of near term readiness, well, that might have been an even bigger miss. Having said that, I think he is looking much better than last year, but still too many OMG “what was that play”
     
  19. Hemi

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    Ok....he can't do it reliably or regularly
     
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  20. NCJetsfan

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    Yet. The story isn't over with Zach.
     
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