Ok so juxtapose his first two seasons against all of them and he was significantly worse. Just work with year 2 of Darnold, Sanchez, Geno, etc. Only year 3 isn’t exactly a ringing endorsement. Two years starting is quite a big sample size.
Sanchez was a turnover machine his first 2 years while playing with an excellent offensive line and great running game. I can't comment on his mother though. I don't even know who she is
He has not started 2 years he started 20 games. Year 1 the team was so bad I am not sure it counts. There are a lot of factors why Zach has not lived up to draft status thus far that I will not rehash here. The problem with being in NY and the defense playing the way it did expectations went through the roof and Zach is not there yet. The coaching staff destroyed Zach last season and he was the only QB that won multiple games last year. I have never seen anything like it and the team paid for it. They did the right thing fired MF and brought in Rodgers to try to salvage Zach's confidence. We will see what Zach does with the second chance. Practice is a better indicator on how Zach is progressing than preseason games. My biggest concern with Zach is different than most. I think the game is and will slow down and he will improve in the pocket as he matures in the league. What bothers me about him playing in NY is that he struggles most in bad-weather games. The windy game in NE the rainy game in Jax. If he cannot play in inclement weather he cannot be a QB in NY.
The spin move is in a clean pocket with a 4man rush. sorry 3rd year QBs just don’t do that. He missed a touchdown pass over the med-deep right too. Practice doesn’t mean anything to me until it translates to the game. Zach doesn’t have a high ceiling in the NFL even when he does figure it out. There will be better QBs available by then.
I disagree with this entire post. Only time will tell. Hopefully, we will not need to find out this season. I do find it funny that Zach gets ripped for holding the ball to long and then gets ripped for standing like a statue in the pocket. On the spin he stepped up in the pocket the Mesh was run way too deep and he got pressure from his blind side.
He can’t QB anywhere dude. He played in an up and down climate at BYU. You blamed the coaches, the weather, not enough starts to prove himself, and expectations as excuses for why he was the worst starting QB in back to back years. He got outplayed by the likes of Mike White and Josh Johnson. I don’t really get why you all are so steadfast on him succeeding anyways. If Rodgers is here next year, he’ll never start a game for the Jets. So what’s it matter other than the damaged egos of everyone who refuses to admit they were wrong about him?
If a QB has the "it" factor, he shows it within 3 years (most cases). Mahomes showed it early on as did Burrow and Herbert. Allen struggled in his rookie season but showed improvement in year 2. Then really took off in year 3. Lawrence struggled his rookie season but had a nice year 2. Wilson didn't improve in year 2 and now he will be holding a clipboard the next 2 years. I doubt he makes it here in NY. The future Jets QB after Rodgers isn't on the roster yet IMHO.
Look at the play again - There was no pressure. The pocket was NFL perfect. When he sees bodies in his face he tries to reset unnecessarily.
A lot of talk about big arms but accuracy is more important in bad weather. It is why Brady/Rodgers, two California guys, end up being so good in bad weather. You aren't throwing bombs anyway, you need to move the chains with short passes. Accuracy in the short passing game is Wilson's biggest weakness, which is why he really sucks in poor weather. In that NE game last year they coulda played 8 quarters if they wanted and he wasn't leading a touchdown drive
The absolutely best thing for the Jets organization is that Wilson fixes the things that made him so bad in his first 20 starts and he becomes the next FQB after Rodgers retires. It's a massive longshot but I'm with you. I will be rooting for him.
I really like The QB School with JT O'Sullivan, but I wonder how much of what he says is what the Jets are teaching Wilson. After all, O'Sullivan was a 6th round draft pick, and was a career backup. He rarely played. He played in a different time and a different offense. On the last play that he reviewed, he said that Zach should have been more patient and waited for the deep crosser to come open. That could be valid, but I also noticed that if he had moved off the #1 option a little quicker to the middle of the field the Left to Right mesh receiver was open and Zach could have hit him in stride. I'm pretty sure that they have been teaching Zach to be more decisive and get the ball out quicker. If so, then that is the exact opposite of what O'Sullivan says on that play. When Zach came into the NFL he was more patient and held onto the ball, and was killed for that, for looking for the big play, playing "hero" ball and not taking what the defense was giving him. He can't win. People can't; have it both ways. I know that you're a Zach fan. Don't you see the irony here? I think his patience on longer-developing plays will come in time and with experience, but for now, I think he's focusing on being decisive and getting the ball out quickly as they are urging him to do. He's going to have to do that for a while to get into that rhythm and mindset. I don't think that he's at the place yet where he can be patient. He's feeling that internal clock, that pressure to get the ball out quickly. O'Sullivan also pointed out that the play design or the execution by the receivers didn't help Zach out on some of the plays, like on the first pass, the TE only running a 4-yard route when they needed 5 for the first down. On that last pass, he said that there was no quick winner there with that defensive coverage. I think Rodgers would probably have changed the play on that coverage, but Zach isn't to that point yet. I agree with what he said on the screen pass about drifting left getting him into potential trouble, and that he shouldn't drift back or up on other passes unles the pressure forces him to step up in the pocket.
I agree. Zach received a lot of conflicting coaching from Day 1. They tried to change his style of play that was the basis for drafting him into something not really his strength and didn't make that a gradual process, they just threw him into the deep end. That was compounded with a lot of key injuries (including to himself), and very questionable game plans and play calling. Still Zach tried to work with it all and didn't complain, but that's not to say it didn't affect him. By the end of last season it was clear he was totally confused and had lost his confidence. Those who refuse to see all of that simply have and agenda, and to turn around the accusation made here by one Zach hater, these people can't admit to being wrong. For myself, I've freely admitted that I might be wrong about Zach, but so far I haven't seen anything that proves that he can't eventually become a FQB with the right coaching and support. Even Aaron Rodgers has said this. But of course we could all be wrong. Oh well, if that's the case, on to the next "Great QB Hope". But so far it looks like Zach is making progress even if he has to make a lot more - it shows he's capable of it. From reading today's T.C. reports - thanks again KYJetsFan! - it was a bad day for him, but Rodgers wasn't perfect by any stretch either so that gives some indication of the pressure they were facing. And that's a good thing. That's what Zack needs. All I'll say to the Zach haters is: Go argue with Douglas and Saleh (and Rodgers).
I am rooting for him, but I just don't see him being "the guy" here in NY. I am sure the coaches will see how he progresses in practice but that isn't real live game action. Unless Rodgers gets hurt, he won't be playing in the games for the next 2 years. He could look great in practice but that still won't answer the question can he do it for real.? A real opponent will come after him and hit him the Jets defense won't.
Same here. There is a group here who goes to great length to dissect every single less than perfect move by Zach in order to reinforce their position. Every report in camp says that he is making good progress and looking much sharper, but that means nothing apparently. Dreaming about him becoming perfect overnight is unrealistic, and even when he does something spot on then the usual back up narrative "what he does in training camp and pre season doesn't matter" will surface. I thing is laughable that people that think it doesn't matter waste so much time posting, reposting the same stuff and analyzing ever new negative play at nausea to make their point. Massive waste of time IMO. Its AR time for me.
It's an internet football forum and those takes are always popular. Just consider the source for most of those posts. If they never have anything good to post then that's their thing. It saying they are wrong about Zach but this is their defacto take.
